onewheeldave

Hi vis jackets/steel cap boots are for safety. Suits are a joke. Note how in the most dishonest professions, eg, politics, suits are a vital necessity. Some people are sheeple who have an emotional need for uniformity, conformity and the suppression of individuality: they need to realise their emotional problems are their emotional problems and cease trying to address them by trying to stifle the individuality of others who lack those problems. The worlds in a mess, mainly as a direct result of bizarre, but institutionalised, attitudes like those I refer to above. Schools are where our next generation of potential world changers come from- lets encourage a bit of individualism and innovative thought, eh? Change now, or forever stay the same.

Yes- I'd say that if it's raining, or has rained, or the lines are wet in any way, then however adept someone is at crossing them, there's a decent chance they could come off. Good that you're not badly hurt- been lots of broken bones from coming off at the tramlines, plus, I believe, some fatalities. I reckon if there were stats for serious injuries of cyclists coming off on the lines, that they would be shocking reading. Just as disturbing are the number of cars/vans experiencing loss of traction on them- that's also bad news for any cyclists they may be overtaking.

Was it dry conditions, or wet from the rain? Does seem to be a bit of a lottery- I was very confident crossing them up till the point when, for no apparent reason (crossed it in my usual cautious way) I came off. I guess sometimes they could have a bit of oil/fuel on them.

You, the taxpayer, fund nothing. The benefit system exists to keep a portion of the population in full time work while keeping the less lucky appeased with breadcrumbs and beat down/humiliated so they don't do anything about it.

Chat ends when people stop chatting dude- not when you decree it Even if it was only a few bags (sounds like it was way more), fact remains it's illegal fly tipping by the council. The same council that relentlessly prosecutes any citizen for so minor a transgression as dropping a cigarette butt on the ground.

Agree fully

: :):) ---------- Post added 17-07-2014 at 17:30 ---------- Yeah- I realised long ago that while I had major communication issues in live scenarios face to face, that online I could spend time composing replies and using my strengths, which are based on rationality. A few people have said I can express myself far better online than in real life ---------- Post added 17-07-2014 at 17:34 ---------- In the context of a discussion/debate, then, yes, I do think people do need to back up their opinions with valid reasons. Especially in this one where a lot of offensive and downright prejudicial opinions have been posted. It's discussions like this which can lead to toplessness being banned in public. To most here, that probably doesn't sound that bad but, it's not a long jump from banning toplessness with no valid reason, to maybe, as in some places, banning women from exposing their shoulders, or legs, or faces. ---------- Post added 17-07-2014 at 17:36 ---------- I've noticed the lack of it this year too. Still, given the baseless insults and hostility directed towards topless men here, I'm not that surprised. The other reason is likely that, given the steady decline in public health and rise in obesity etc, many men are probably too ashamed of their own bodies to take their shirts off. ---------- Post added 17-07-2014 at 17:37 ---------- plus of course, the individuality of those of us who choose to go topless? ---------- Post added 17-07-2014 at 17:41 ---------- Sorry no- my assertion that aspergers isn't a disease, wasn't an axiom, it was a fact. The opposite i.e. aspergers is a disease (which was the claim I was responding to) could be an axiom, if by axiom we mean 'assumption'. But if axiom means something that is self evidently true, then it can't, as it's false. ---------- Post added 17-07-2014 at 17:43 ---------- I know dude- I've pretty much given up on getting my point of view across to the current crop of posters- that would require them to have the will to engage in some rational discourse. ---------- Post added 17-07-2014 at 17:45 ---------- Yeah. In some places it's execution if you're a women and walk about without a tent covering everything but your eyes.

Oh dear! You poor people, the suffering you must have to endure Listen- as previously mentioned I am aspergic, which basically means I possess the ability to to engage in rational thought, which in turn, means I don't suffer from the bizarre prejudice orientated mind set of you 'normals'. Previously, I've been focusing on trying to get you all to address your irrational prejudices, but I now realise that's futile- too much, too soon So, here's a couple of suggestions that don't involve you delving into/attempting to change/open your minds, but, instead, require only the ability to control your own bodies- you can manage that presumably? OK- let's imagine there's a topless man in your visual field: clearly, he's not stressing you/causing upset- he's doing nothing wrong, simply catching some sun- it's your own irrational prejudices causing the stress, but, hey ho, we've already established that you're unable to control your own minds/emotions. So, here's the suggestion- did you realise that you can turn your head, or close your eyes? basically, to cut to the chase, you don't have to look: you can instead, look somewhere else. Hopefully, you'll then get distracted by something else (and probalby end up moaning about that instead)- it works for my cat, and, I believe, most dogs. Give it a try, and, good luck

No it's not- it quite clearly states, in bold- i.e. it could well be a case of correlation rather than causation. at no point in the article does if even mention a way in which cycling could diminish bone health. At worst, it's saying that cycling may not have a positive effect on bone density/health.

Well aspergers isn't an illness. if illness=disorder, then aspergers isn't a disorder. if aspergers is a disorder, then ~(illness=disorder) [where the tild means 'is not the case that'] sorry to be so logical, but us aspies are like that ---------- Post added 17-07-2014 at 08:50 ---------- Perhaps you should deal with your own irrational body issues instead of trying to put it on your neighbour dude! It's amazing how you people habitually try and transfer your own issues onto others- unless you address them, you'll always have them. Your neighbours doing nothing wrong- he's taken his top up in the sun in his own garden. If it was the 17th century you'd have been right at the front of the crowd watching the witches burn, wouldn't you

Wasn't me starting with the generalisations- ---------- Post added 16-07-2014 at 17:56 ---------- I've got it. I know first hand what aspergers is like- I am an aspie. Lived 47 years undiagnosed and taken a world of crap- not because of the aspergers, but because of the prejudices and irrationality of 'normals' trying to impose their bizarre social norms and close minded rituals on someone who lacks the neurological equipment to see or follow those norms. Now I know why, I'm feeling very optimistic. I'm not disabled, I'm enabled. ---------- Post added 16-07-2014 at 17:59 ---------- I don't think you were. I think you thought you were. If you were on my side then, you would be now. Instead you've misunderstood something I said, took it as a slight, and now you're feeling a bit vindictive. I'm not at all narked- I don't need defending, especially if it's that conditional and as far as I'm concerned, other peoples problems are other peoples problems. ---------- Post added 16-07-2014 at 18:01 ---------- I said it wasn't a mental 'illness'. It isn't now and, never was. ---------- Post added 16-07-2014 at 18:03 ---------- True- they've changed the classifications and no longer use the word 'aspergers'. Aspies however, will continue to call themselves what they wish

Aspergia isn't a mental illness dude ---------- Post added 16-07-2014 at 14:39 ---------- Bully for you I carry mine in a bag, in case I have to go in a supermarket. ---------- Post added 16-07-2014 at 14:40 ---------- It's safe to say I know considerably more about aspergia than you. I'd suggest you do a few hours research.

Yes, exactly- the 'societal norms that mean some people expect you to keep your clothes on in the street' have no basis in rationality: 'normals' can't see that precisely because they are totally geared to conforming to those social norms. Aspies cannot see those norms. Norms do not obscure the rational basis as they do for non-aspies. Therefore the aspie can clearly see the absence of any rational basis lying below those norms. ---------- Post added 16-07-2014 at 14:27 ---------- I don't sweat much at all. But walking for 2 hours, often carrying heavy shopping (eating up to 20 bananas a day along with lots of other heavy, bulky fruit, requires carrying it home first), or being out of the bike, clearly results in a sweaty t-shirt.

makes a big difference- I always used to burn harshly round the exposed neck area, especially at the back- never was anything but pale and white on the parts covered with a t-shirt. For that reason, I'm saying t-shirts do block vitamin D. It's part of it. High functioning autistics/aspergics are provenly better at rationality than non-aspies. They're rubbish at grasping many social based communication aspects. I suspect that maybe though, it's that very processing power possessed by normals that interferes when looking at situations/problems purely rationally- they can't switch it off. It would explain why so many otherwise intelligent non-aspies come out with the rubbish they do

OK- I'll grant you, it is an attempt at an actual reason. But, like I said before, i disagree with your premise that "the law is based on the wants and needs of society" as I believe it's based on rubbish, prejudice and b******t I have zero respect for stupid laws, hence why I oppose our bizarre drug laws etc. But, it is a reason: well done, one actual rational argument in a 17 page thread albeit, a reason that you appear to reject yourself?

I nipped down to tescos today and on the walk down took off the shirt to soak up some rays and ensure that my shirt didn't get sweaty. Put the shirt on to go in and get the shopping (not cos it's wrong to go topless in the supermarkets, but cos I don't need the hassle that would ensue). Came out- shirt straight off again, and, you know what- the thought hit me that 'this is f***ing fantastic! In all that light and heat, I'm feeling fresh, not sweaty, I'm getting my vitamin D and basically feeling just great. Felt a bit sorry for all those people not able to enjoy the feeling, cos they're scared of what others might judge them as being, or ashamed of their own bodies, or of such a mind that they actually believe the prejudices themselves. As I looked around it seemed utterly bizarre, that, in this weather, all the men were in tshirts, sweating away, probably feeling hot and grotty. What a bizarre world we live in. I got officially dignosed as aspergic this monday. It's been tough living in the world of 'normals' and their irrational prejudices for 47 years, without knowing what I was. But now I do know, and, I realise that our culture seemed insane, cos it is. And now, I'm free of it- I can see clearly and rationally in a way that few 'normals' ever can. And so, being shirtless in the hot son, as well feeling great, has become an expression of my new found freedom- freedom from your bizarre insecurities and prejudices. Anyone else sick of the b*****t- join me, strip of your shirt and feel the rays of mother Sol: if anyone's got a problem with it, realise, it is their problem, leave them to fester in their own prejudices.

None- there's nothing wrong with the human body. However, there are places I personally wouldn't go topless, including supermarkets, schools, cetain places with muslim communities, public transport etc. Again, not because I think it's wrong, but because it would attract hassle and possibly violence. Pretty much the same reasons I wouldn't, were I a black man, wander into a ku-klux-klan meeting- not cos it's wrong, but because it would lead to trouble. ---------- Post added 16-07-2014 at 12:54 ---------- I agree. I think people should be free to wander around naked. i think were that allowed, and, more common, a lot of our societies body issues and prejudices would be helped. ---------- Post added 16-07-2014 at 12:57 ---------- No. The law, in this instance, is based on rubbish, prejudice and hypocrasy. No parts of the human body are indecent. I personally don't walk around naked, again, it would just attract prejudice, trouble, violence and imprisonment- I don't consider it wrong.

Thank you. At last, someone who actually reads my posts You're 100% right- in fact I've stated clearly around 10 times that I do not go topless in supermarkets. (not cos I think it's wrong, but purely cos I don't want the inevitable hassle).

I'm aspergic Janie- 'normals' frequently perceive aspergics as taking things 'too seriously'. The truth is, I've given damned good reasons why I go topless, asked people who object to address them, and had not one single rational objection to them, or even an attempt to address them. That's on a 16 page thread full of insinuation and insult saying that men who go topless anywhere but a beach are undignified, rude, uncaring of the feelings of others, dirty, sweaty, fat, thin and a whole host of other non-rational prejudice based insults. NOT ONE ATTEMPT to address the perfectly valid justifications I put forward for taking off my shirt. Does that give you some indication of how frustrating it is trying to communicate with you people? No wonder human history is littered with slavery, racism, witch hunts and slaughter of those whose only crime is to be different. Do you not realise that irrational prejudice on a small scale (i.e. a man not wearing his shirt on a sunny day) can only facilitate the irrational polarisation that leads to the big prejudices?

You're being disingenious. I've previously given my reasons for going topless- I do feel very comfortable with my body- I'm in good shape: but I certainly don't go topless because, as you seem to be claiming, I want to show off or impress other people. I'm very aware of how nasty, vindictive and full of prejudice other peoples minds can be when faced with anything that goes against their fixed ideas of how things should be done- for that reason I'm aware that they won't be at all impressed. I'm dissapointed that you've fallen to the trolling level- if that's all you've got, I'll cease to engage with your posts on this topic. If you do feel able to quibble with any of my above reasons in a rational way though, I'll happily respond. I'm extremely white and pale skinned. I do not have time available to lay in parks sunbathing to the extent that I would aquire either the protective tan necessary, or, the levels of vitamin D, than I can get going about my daily business topless/cycling topless etc. As I've now said about 10 times, I DO NOT GO TOPLESS IN SUPERMARKETS

I'm quite considerate and I've got good manners. But I don't pander to the irrational prejudices of others. If some small-minded individuals have a problem with the way I dress, my tattoos, or the fact that I take my top off in hot sun, then it is indeed their problem.

That's probably it, isn't it. Most of those whining about topless men are basically in bad shape and ashamed to be see topless themselves, so they don't want those of us who aren't ashamed of our bodies to be enjoying getting some sun on our skin.

No- the anti-shirtless crew have been moaning about toplessness in the streets and various other places. Personally I put a shirt on in the supermarket, purely cos I know they have an irrational policy against shirtless men- I just don't want any unecessary hassle- I put a shirt on when I go in, and take it right off when I leave. I don't sweat on apples- the only time I'm going to sweat is if I'm actually exerting myself. Possibly the fact that I'm quite sensible and take my shirt off if it's really hot, thus making myself cooler, helps with that? ---------- Post added 15-07-2014 at 14:08 ---------- Ah, Janies arrived- fantastic Perhaps you'd like to have a go at my question? Originally Posted by onewheeldave If anyone can come up with a some decent rational reasons why I should cover up, then I am of course, ready to listen. Actual reasoning based on rationality, rather than the prejudice and bigotry supplied thus far.

And, I'll just re-ask that question I posted earlier, cos no-one seems to have had a go at answering it Actual reasoning based on rationality, rather than the prejudice and bigotry supplied thus far.

No reason not to take the shirt off if it's sunny either- unless you're sensitive to the prejudice and bigotry of saddos whos own lives are so shallow that they find pleasure in criticising others for doing something as natural as removing a shirt to catch the sun.