onewheeldave

 

 

Here's the question again to anyone who wishes to give a sensible reply and not take it as anything but a genuine question.....

I think it's because they are naturists- they tend to like doing things without clothes when it's possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturism

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Well you think wrong and since when has asking a straight question been a crime?

And where do I say I don't like the thought of people being allowed to get naked and enjoy it?

I have not tried to judge anyone but asked for peoples explanations and you start going on about people having hang ups:loopy:

Take a long hard look at yourself with a reply like that.

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Well the way I see it is this advertised event stating under 18 year olds may be there and it is open to everyone gives the possibility of any sicko turning up....

I would have thought some kind of checked membership more suitable.

'Sicko turning up'? I'm sure if a 'sicko' (whatever that means) turns up, I expect the responsible adults there will deal with them? 'sicko' can turn up to any event, for example, a bingo meet, a pub crawl, or a knitting circle- that doesn't mean that bingo meets, pub crawls and knitting circles should require checked membership.

I think naturists get so much prejudicial public opposition that keeps their numbers low, that the last thing they need is an obligation to run 'checked membership' at their events.

The only difference between naturist events like this, and the other events I just mentioned, is an absence of clothes- enforced 'checked membership' would only further reinforce the unjustified associations with perversion that much of the misguided/confused public seem to tag onto them.

Well all I can think of is people prefer to swim naked to either look at or be looked at by others otherwise why not wear swimwear?

When thinking about it did it not occur that, in addition to the somewhat 'pervy' 2 options you came up with, could be things like 'just prefering the feel of swimming naked', or, simply lacking the strange hang-ups some people have about the naked body?

 

By the way I am not trying to have a go at anyone I am just struggling to understand the reasons behind it and would like anyone to explain them to me.

I disagree- I think you are having a go at people. I think on some level you are the type of person who does have a hangup about nakedness and who doesn't like the thought of those who don't, being allowed to get together and enjoy being naked.

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Try me.

 

A couple of things about this event raise concerns for me.

 

1/ Anyone can roll up on the day and take part.

 

2/ Under 18's allowed if supervised.

And.....

What's the problem? Why shouldn't anyone be able to turn up and take part.

Why shouldn't under 18's (supervised) be allowed: Naturism isn't restricted only to those aged 18+

Can anyone explain to me why they think it is better to swim naked than with swimwear on?

Can you explain why some may think it better to swim with swimwear on than naked?

 

You seem to ignore the fact that national carriers from many (or most) countries seem to be banning them too. Why would you think that is? Perhaps you can point us to a national airline that relies on Sheffield Forum's medical experts for advice and still allows their use on planes.

I don't know their 'reasons'- I assume it's the same 'reasons' the BMA are against e-cigs and the same 'reasons' the govt are against them i.e. political lobbying and being bought off.

Equally, it could just be the usual knee-jerk hysteria.

It would be good if the airlines could publish their 'reasons', then we wouldn't be in the dark?

Either way, given that the BMA and the govt seem perfectly happy to try to ban things for no good reason, I hardly think that airlines are going to necessarily be in a position to have a rational viewpoint on e-cigs

Lastly, your constant reference to

 

Sheffield Forum's medical experts

They oppose attacks on e-cigs because they know that there is no good evidence to ban them, because they have personal experience of people who've benefited hugely from e-cigs (i.e. they've quit smoking cigarettes), and/or, because they feel that the attacks are politically motivated and have no rational basis.

Apparently that used to work with Royal Mail and Parcelforce, but I tried it recently and the corrupt officials got the more recent Postal Services Act rigged so they can hold your parcels hostage for the clearance fee now..

Thanks for the links. I'm confused though, from your livejournal; link it sounds like you got your item without having to pay the royal mail charge?

Damn those highly qualified medical consultants that advise governments and the airlines. If only they had gone to an expert like you this wouldn't have happened.

The governments got a good track record of ignoring any advice from it's expert drug advisors that they don't (for political reasons) like, and/or sacking them.

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That would be the BMA who advised the government in this country to ban e-cigs from public places. Probably because of things like this.

 

No- I've seen the list of 'reasons' the BMA issued to attempt to justify their dislike of e-cigs: it included nonsense like 'e-cigs make cigarette smoking look appealing', which, as anyone who knows about e-cigs knows, is rubbish (the e-cigs that look like cigarettes aren't any good, and, good e-cigs look nothing liken cigatettes).

In the case you quote, the appropriate thing is some form of regulation- which most ecig producers are actaully asking for and in favour of.

The BMA are a disgrace, they've obviously been either bought off, or, genuinely are as inept as they appear.

. Compaining about not being charged every time seems a little churlish.

That's why I'm not complaining it that I was complaining about the fact that it's virtually impossible to know it advance what charges will be added on by customs and couriers- it's a shoddy system that needs sorting out. I don't see why paying customers should be paying whatever random demands those companies tag on in the meantime.

If you don't wish to pay the handling fee then you can import the item yourself, either in person or via a freight forwarder. It would probably cost a lot more than a tenner though.

The eis has probably the best boxing facilities this country has ever seen and it's been funded by the government to produce world class amateur fighters fot tournements such as the Olympics and world championships.why? Sky tv channel 5 boxnation all have boxing on regular. Why? Houehold names such as ali tyson lennox lewis amir khan ricky hatton leanard mayweather naseem hamed kel.to name a few.how come they are so well known.every big boxing show gets loads of pro footballers there why?

Why? Because boxings fairly popular. MMA also has big names, huge audiences, celebrity supporters etc, etc. Why, cos it's also fairly popular. A lot of other, non-combat sports are popular as well. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

(Though I'd question the implication that the presence of pro footballers in the audience is a criteria by which the value of a sport should be judged )

Look- the fact is, boxings big, and, mma's big. Both have some very positive benefits when it comes to training in them, concerning health, fitness, self defense and character building.

Shall we just do an online shake of hands and leave it at that?

im not putting it down at all I just say its not my cup of tea.i know its a difficult sport I even had a look in a gym used by mma .I watched a bit on euro sport and goid luck to who ever is involvedwith it.but although its on the rise at the moment its not recognised and probebly doesnt get the credit it deserves.see boxing u have a chaln.u box amateur win titles represent your country turn pro win titles get to world level

I'm sorry, but you very much do appear to be putting mma down- otherwise why all the nonsense about boxing being the most respected sport in the world.

Respected by who- you? If so, then fair enough, i can fully accept that you really respect boxing, but in no way does that make it the most respected sport in the world.

Also, what's this about mma not being 'recognised'?!

It's not 'recognised' by the boxing establishment, but, then again, it's not boxing, so why should it be?

It's most certainly recognised by the several mma ruling bodies, such as the large and well-established UFC organisation- as are the various world titles earned by the top mma fighters.

I'm totally happy if you don't have any problems with mma- that's the way it should be, but, if that's the case, could you at least, when mentioning it, leave out the little put-downs?

Making a false customs declaration is shady, regardless of whether they approve of the charges or not. I've imported various things from the states and in one cases the US company (which clearly did a lot of exports) had a very prominent page explaining customs and courier charges and giving examples which made if simple for the customer to work out if the overall cost was worth it (for some low value items it just isn't). That's a more ethical way of dealing with it than falsely declaring commercial exports as gifts.

That's not possible- the only way you're going to find out what the UK customs charge on a given item, is to order it and see what they charge

It's a lottery- sometimes an item gets no charge, other times the same item gets a charge.

Now the UK couriers, and, by the sounds of it 'royal'mail too, have got in on the act and charge to escort your item through customs, it's even more of a shoddy lottery.

If it were possible to know exactly what charges an item from the US would incur, without several hours research on various obscure customs/courier/royal mail sites (info on which is generally far from easy to find, and, often innacurrate) then they would be no problem.

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Making a false customs declaration is shady, regardless of whether they approve of the charges or not.

That's your opinion. Personally, I don't consider it shady. I do consider couriers holding peoples item for ransom to be shady though.

Incidently- this did happen to me in the days before I stopped ordering items from the US due to being fedup with getting ripped off by the couriers/customs.

After a few phone calls, I established that the courier company had no right to hold items hostage, and, that by paying the customs charge only, i could receive the item, and the couriers would have to bill me for it later on.

This suggests that customers can demand to have their item delievered (as long as they're paid the customs fee) and, perhaps simply refuse to pay the courier component?

Obviously, if these charges have any basis in law, the customer would be open to getting solicitors letters/court case- however, having watched what's been happening lately with private parking companies and their fake invoices/fake solicitors letters, I wonder if the courier companies threats might be equally unfounded in actual law?

If someone decides to test this out, please do post the result.

Mohamad ali is a name what every one knows.he is the most respected sports person in the world. Mma is new but most people dont even know what mma means never mind an mma champion.

He's not the most respected sports person in the world- there's no such thing as the most respected sports person in the world. Plenty of people can name many mma champions- Lyoto Machida, Royce Gracie etc, etc.

Rhonda Rousy is fighting this weekend- the first time a woman has fought in the UFC. Though, in other mma organisations, womens fights are well established- woman get a lot more respect in mma (and in Thai boxing) than they ever have in boxing, where, for some reason, many of the organisers clearly don't consider it a sport for women to participate in.

but yes mma is on the up but how many mma gyms are around the uk its not a recognised sport unfortunately I am not knockin it but its not my cup of tea.what level can u get too in this sport.is it am or pro. Do they have a national team.

Plenty of mma gyms in the UK, and, in Sheffield. If you include all the bjj (Brazilian Ju-jutsu) and muay thai/kickboxing gyms that mma practitioners tend to use, then you're spoilt for choice.

Fighters get to the level that their skills and committment allows i.e. up to world champion, just like boxing.

You are knocking it- like many in the boxing world, you're constantly sniping at mma and implying that it's inferior to boxing- in your case, you're going beyond implication and actually clearly stating it

Why, I don't know- most mma practitioners have nothing but respect for boxing- the vast majority train in boxing, as, with the appropriate modifications, it's essential for fighting in the cage.

It perplexes me as to why so many in the boxing establishment feel the need to put mma down

 

Good luck getting a non-shady shop to mark a purchase as a gift. Most say they won't in their T&Cs.

You could be seen to be implying that any company that marks purchases as a 'gift' are shady?

Bit of an assumption- many companies do so as they consider these charges to be a bit of a scam, they're just looking out for their customers.

Who is the most famous sportsperson in the world, and the answer is not a kickbixer or an mma fighter.

boxing is the most respected sport in the world and amateur boxing is the cream of it.

I have seen so many young people turn their lives around and to see them represent their country gives you the biggest buzz ever.i dont want to disrespect the other sports as they are also good disciplines but boxing is best to me

Yes, boxing is very good for helping people turn their lives around- many top boxers in interviews state that, in their opinion, if they hadn't got into boxing, they would have ended up in jail, or dead.

Then again, many mma fighters say the same thing.

Both boxing and mma provide a safe outlet for people to work out, and deal with, aggression, along with disclipline and all the benefits of hard physical training.

Boxing is actually well respected amongst the majority of mma practitioners- hand skills are seen as being at the top of fighting basics, along with kicking, grappling and take-down skills.

Boxing is the sport to be in right now what with the successful Olympics we had.people automatically think boxing broken noses and brain damage but they couldn't be more wrong. The fitness side is second to none. It helpes your confidence and discipline. Great for weight loss. Healthy eating and living a correct life.so what ever gym ppl go in all they have to do is make sure its a boxing gym

??I think you'll find that boxing is not the sport to be in right now, there are several others growing considerably faster- mma being the most obvious, with kickboxing not that far behind.

Boxing training is fantastic- exceptionally testing fitness wise, and, considerably more useful for practical self defense than many give it credit for.

I would never criticise boxing- I'm just pointing out that it's not the combat sport to be in, there are many others, and each person is suited to some more than others.

 

exactly! even worse then, so basically he is hiding from questioning?:loopy: at our expense:shakes:

He's not hiding from questioning- they're welcome to question him where he is now; but they don't want to do that.

What he's hiding from is the fact that, if he goes to Sweden, there's a good chance he'll be extradited to the US.

its the mrs who's s**ting herself lol

 

who you believe joe bloggs onforum or martin Lewis off tv and radio

so sorry if upset you

just don,t want bailiffs banging on our door

Here's a clip from BBC watchdog on how these 'invoices' and the following 'solicitors letters' are nothing other than scams made to look official-

Here's a list of Watchdog videos from mse-

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=3164256

just ingore the invoices and the letters

Not according to the US Food & Drug Administration.

 

http://www.fda.gov/newsevents/newsroom/pressannouncements/ucm173222.htm

 

FDA and Public Health Experts Warn About Electronic Cigarettes

 

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today announced that a laboratory analysis of electronic cigarette samples has found that they contain carcinogens and toxic chemicals such as diethylene glycol, an ingredient used in antifreeze.

 

So what makes you qualified to make such a pronouncement on their safety?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig11/fetters1.1.1.html

 

The initial argument that the FDA produced after a brief study, was that Diethylene Glycol was a health risk, as it is commonly found in substances such as anti-freeze. What the FDA did here was consciously derail and sabotage the E-Cigarette through their tried and true fearmongering technique of big-worded misinformation.

 

Here is a part of the original FDA quote:

 

"The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today announced that a laboratory analysis of electronic cigarette samples has found that they contain carcinogens and toxic chemicals such as diethylene glycol, an ingredient used in antifreeze."

 

Is DG (Diethylene Glycol) considered toxic? The answer is yes. But what the FDA failed to mention is that the tested E-Cigarette cartridges had about 1/10 the DG that can be found in aspirin, and about 1/40 the amount found in your typical tobacco cigarette. It can also be found in a variety of consumable products on the market that we use daily. It's actually not an ingredient in anti-freeze. It's an ingredient in coolants. They mixed that up with PG (Propylene Glycol) which is actually put into anti-freeze in order to make the anti-freeze child-safe and/or pet-safe.

 

Not that it really matters much. But DG is actually not a typical ingredient you find in E-Cigarettes. It is typically used as a humectant for tobacco products; which would explain its presence in one out of the 18 E-cig cartridges tested. The presence of Nicotine typically means you will also find DG. If you were to test real cigarettes for this chemical, you would find it in %100 of the tested cigarettes.

 

But, strangely, the FDA doesn't set an embargo on big tobacco.

 

DG and PG are actually considered "Safe for human consumption" in certain quantities by the FDA in several consumable products. To put it into perspective: You would have to consume around 12,000 E-cigarette cartridges loaded up with DG and PG within 24-hours in order to get yourself anywhere near toxic levels of DG/PG. Sounds pretty freaky until you find out that your average E-cigarette user will puff down 1.5 cartridges per day. The heavier puffers will inhale as many as 3

The real question here is why the FDA/BMA, and UK/US govts in general, wish to ban e-cigs, and, why they are willing to use invalid arguments and deception to do so.

I'd be in favour of them banning e-cigarettes in public places.

 

I think it has the potential to encourage people to smoke by making smoking appear socially acceptable again.

 

The safety of e-cigarrettes is not the issue for me. I just think it's not good for children to see adult role models puffing away in public places on a cigarette, be it an e-cigarette or a real one.

Why do you think that?

Why would using a vapouriser, that looks nothing like a cigarette, encourage anyone to smoke?

(Any e-cig that looks like a cigarette cannot possibly have sufficient battery power/battery life to be usable long-term, which is why people who buy them invariably either give up on vaping, or, buy a proper model, which are much bigger than cigarettes, often black and, basically, could never be mistaken for a real cigarette).

If anything, seeing people vaping is only going to further make the point that smoking real cigarettes is rapidly going out of fashion.

Oh ... OK then, I'll just carry on smoking thanks to your advice. I didn't realise that e-cigs were so detrimental! Thanks for alerting me to the potential hazard of something that's (to my understanding) far less hazardous than tobacco ... when I'm trying to stop!

I've tried Zyban (now zybanned) ... it worked for a while. Patches are useless and a rip off. What am I reasonably expected to do? If you're addicted to something, you're addicted to it. You just can't stop.

So far as I'm concerned (and pretty much all the people wanting to give up smoking), e-cigs are the way to go. I definitely feel much healthier. Certainly, it''d be best to not have started smoking in the first place ... I did.

I can very much recommend Allan Carrs "easy way to give up smoking" book if you've not tried it already.

Ecigs have been very effective for my friend (as previously posted), but millions (including me) have been freed from any nicotine consumption whatsoever, by reading this amazing little book.

Do you have any recommends for a good one Dave? I've tried Elites and they're "ok" but very hit and miss quality wise and the draw degrades hugely after the first few drags. I'm determined to quit the evil weed and was hoping e cigs would be the way forward but not been that impressed with the ones I've tried (also tried 10 motives, which tasted like fekcing sugar)

just got a reply from my friend, which I've copied and pasted below- I thinks it's pretty obvious that he's well into this stuff and some of it is a bit technical, but there's plenty of links for anyone interested to check out:

There's so many tailorable options out there and different requirements but I can heartily recommend the ego variable voltage or similar devices. The ability to turn the voltage up or down a little bit for different flavours/throat hit is worth the extra few quid 10 times over. Safety cut offs, button lock. Direct dripping is the most hassle but easily the best flavour, tank systems have compromises but find the right one and you can get close.

Liberty flights is my favourite place, excellent service, good prices, points system and they have really well priced, great tasting mixing stuff too. This is also a perfect battery to start with. The normal batteries use PWM sop are more efficient but the ego twist at least uses a buck boost style converter so gives plenty of power but lasts less. I get a week, you'd be hard pressed to nail it in a single day if the larger 100mah version

Get a 510 connection and stick with it, most options by far. I'd grab a 5 pack of 3 ohm cartomizers with the 510 fitting by either boge or smoketech to go on that battery. Try one dual coil cartomizer too, again some hate em, I love the extra vapour and warmth, small drag gets dense vapour like a cig experience. Depends on whether you like long or short drags. The variable voltage battery and 3 ohm cartoz give you a big range to try. Don't forget to get the fast usb charger.

http://www.liberty-flights.co.uk/product.asp?id=191

Lisa @ Cloud 9 has always been great for me but not the cheapest. They have a juice calculator that makes the mixing totally math free and I use it every time. Basic but really simple and easy to follow.

http://www.cloud9vaping.co.uk/epages/yxve46fvrnud.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/yxve46fvrnud/Categories/ELiquidCalc

Read this about mixing and do it first. You do not have to mix your own but it is so much cheaper and you get the chance to tailor every little part of the experience. Some hate it, some only mix their own. Tastes and nic needs change so the ability to add a bit more or slowly ween off is unrivaled. Want more throat hit or vapour production or flavor and you can do just that, mix 5ml at a time. The same juice will taste different in different devices.

http://www.totallywicked-eliquid.com/forum/mixing-discussions/mixing-101-11504/

While your head is reeling with all the options and feeling lost, ask daft questions here. He has some AWESOME review videos with fantastic up close detailed reviews too. Check the excellent discount codes for all the shops too, really great.

http://www.e-cig-reviews.com/index.html

Lastly, bookmark this place. I have tried over a hundred concentrates and at least as many juices and over 80 percent of them are from here whether I bought the, swapped them or tastes my bros. Apple pie mixed 50/50 with ry5 or even ry4 or ry6 with 70% vegetable glyceryne, 30% propyl glycol is my go to at 4v, very satisfying indeed.

http://www.be9.net/decadentvapours/

For interest, I use the same batteries as above with the bulli repairable atomizer with ego tank (both sizes) and mix my own juice so I can tweak and control everything, even the resistance of the kanthal wire and how many turns. Outlay is not exactly cheap but my running costs are less than 5 quid a month, usually nothing. Changing a atomizer costs less than 10p rather than 3- 6 quid for a standard 510 atty. Only negative is this tank system strips a bit of flavour, I just add about 5% more. I vape less than 3ml of 8-12mg per ml of juice on a heavy day and usually less than 1/2mm, really not very much.

My bro uses standard 3.7v, 510 batteries but low resistance cartomizers in a tank for large reservoir and buys juice only. He is a monster and can vape up to 30ml of juice in a long weekend but usually less.

That should be good for starters but there's some youtube channels and even vape tv if they want to go deeper

Leave out my name but your welcome to copy and paste the lot.

Do you have any recommends for a good one Dave? I've tried Elites and they're "ok" but very hit and miss quality wise and the draw degrades hugely after the first few drags. I'm determined to quit the evil weed and was hoping e cigs would be the way forward but not been that impressed with the ones I've tried (also tried 10 motives, which tasted like fekcing sugar)

I don't use them personally, but I've got a good friend who's very into them, and has used them to quit tobacco.

I know he's got a lot of info and advice from some ecig forums, so I'll ask him which boards he recommends and post them on here.

Because using an electronic cigarette looks like you are smoking an actual cigarette, the BMA is worried that the more people start using e-cigarettes the more it will normalise something that looks like smoking. They have called for the ban on smoking in public places to be extended to e-cigarettes.

 

Personally, I think this is a bit ridiculous. The BMA want us to try and stop smoking; for some people this is the electronic cigarette is the only method that works.

The e-cigs that actually look like cigarettes aren't any good- very limited battery life etc: most users will quickly move on to a more advanced model, and those tend to not look anything like real cigarettes.

Using proper e-cigs that look nothing like cigarettes, will obviously not 'normalise smoking'- quite the opposite- they will make it apparent that more and more people are quitting cigarettes in droves.

I personally get mine done at http://www.facebook.com/goodvibrationstattoo

Well, you work there don't you

How about you all stop bickering?

3 people on this thread are bickering. I only mention it cos, usually, when you post on a thread it's a pre-cursor to it getting locked, which would be a shame, given that it's totally clear which individuals are actually responsible.