Michael_N

Just a heads up on this offer, as it is not widely publicised and could be handy for people who fancy an evening out in town etc. It's valid on all Stagecoach buses in South Yorkshire and is essentially a day saver for the evenings only (6pm until end of service). https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promos-and-offers/yorkshire/eveningrider-plus

What we need to ask is, will Stagecoach be offering any discount to people who have monthly/yearly passes that have already been purchased through Direct Debit. Will they try and retain these customers, or risk losing them to either other bus operators who run services similar to the tram (120 between Halfway & City for example) or will people just become fed up and switch to the car? What has shocked me, is that for the Hillsborough Corner works, they haven't just simple extended the SL1/SL1A bus beyond Middlewood to Hillsborough, so customers from beyond Middlewood will have to change buses at Middlewood, to then change again at Hillsborough onto the trams. Not like Stocksbridge has much choice as apart from the hourly 57, it's a captive market with Supertram/SL1 & SL1A buses!

Yes you can. Use it on any bus within the Sheffield council boundary.

Because that's the Doncaster 52 what runs from South Elmsall in West Yorkshire to Doncaster Interchange.

Since the land is owned by SYPTE you'd have thought that by now, when traffic congestion is at an all time high they would have proposed to build a park and ride site here, or even proposed to extend the tram from Herdings Park down Bochum Parkway to Meadowhead...

Yes folks the time has come again, so it's time to get used to catching rail replacement buses again or just transfer across onto the regular bus routes which won't require a change at Hillsborough/Shalesmoor/City or the Railway Station... Overview of works: Area 1 Hillsborough Corner and Middlewood Road Planned 19 April - 2 June 2019 Blue Route - Halfway to Hillsborough Purple Route - Herdings Park to Sheffield Station (connect to Blue Route for travel into city or walk through Sheffield Railway Station). Yellow Route - Meadowhall to Hillsborough TramTrain - Parkgate to Cathedral Work will take place at Hillsborough corner and along Middlewood Road towards Hillsborough Park. Buses are expected to replace trams on the Yellow Route between Hillsborough and Middlewood and on the Blue Route between Hillsborough and Malin Bridge. Alternative Buses from Hillsborough into City along the Infirmary Road: - 35 Meadowhall to City via Hillsborough - 57 Stocksbridge to City via Hillsborough - 135/135A Rotherham to City via Hillsborough - 81/82 Stannington to Dore/Millhouses via City Alternative Buses from Hillsborough into City passing Leppings Lane/Hillsborough Park: - 35 Meadowhall to City via Hillsborough - 97/98 Hillsborough to Totley/Totley Brook via City - 135/135A Rotherham to City via Hillsborough Alternative Buses from Malin Bridge into City via Hillsborough: - 81/82 Stannington to Dore/Millhouses via City Area 2 Shalesmoor towards Hillsborough Planned 3 June - 18 July 2019 Blue Route - Halfway to Shalesmoor Purple Route - Herdings Park to Sheffield Station (connect to Blue Route for travel into city or walk through Sheffield Railway Station). Yellow Route - Meadowhall to Cathedral TramTrain - Parkgate to Cathedral Work will take place between Shalesmoor and Hillsborough. Buses will replace trams on the Yellow Route between Fitzalan Square and Middlewood and on the Blue Route between Shalesmoor and Malin Bridge. Purple Route trams will operate Herdings Park - Sheffield Station. Alternative Buses from Hillsborough into City along the Infirmary Road: - 35 Meadowhall to City via Hillsborough - 57 Stocksbridge to City via Hillsborough - 135/135A Rotherham to City via Hillsborough - 81/82 Stannington to Dore/Millhouses via City Alternative Buses from Hillsborough into City passing Leppings Lane/Hillsborough Park: - 35 Meadowhall to City via Hillsborough - 97/98 Hillsborough to Totley/Totley Brook via City - 135/135A Rotherham to City via Hillsborough Alternative Buses from Malin Bridge into City via Hillsborough: - 81/82 Stannington to Dore/Millhouses via City Area 3 Shalesmoor Planned 22 July- 25 July 2019 Blue Route - Halfway to Cathedral Purple Route - Herdings Park to Sheffield Station (connect to Blue Route for travel into city or walk through Sheffield Railway Station). Yellow Route - Meadowhall to Cathedral TramTrain - Parkgate to Cathedral Work will take place around Shalesmoor. Buses will replace trams on the Yellow Route between Fitzalan Square and Middlewood and on the Blue Route between Fitzalan Square and Malin Bridge. Purple Route trams will operate Herdings Park - Sheffield Station. Alternative Buses from Hillsborough into City along the Infirmary Road: - 35 Meadowhall to City via Hillsborough - 57 Stocksbridge to City via Hillsborough - 135/135A Rotherham to City via Hillsborough - 81/82 Stannington to Dore/Millhouses via City Alternative Buses from Hillsborough into City passing Leppings Lane/Hillsborough Park: - 35 Meadowhall to City via Hillsborough - 97/98 Hillsborough to Totley/Totley Brook via City - 135/135A Rotherham to City via Hillsborough Alternative Buses from Malin Bridge into City via Hillsborough: - 81/82 Stannington to Dore/Millhouses via City Alternative Buses from University into City along West Street: - 6 Millhouses to Darnall via City - 51 Lodge Moor to Charnock via City - 52/52A Wisewood/Hillsborough to Woodhouse via City - 95 Walkley to City via Commonside - 120 Fulwood/Ranmoor to Crystal Peaks/Halfway via City Area 4 Hillsborough towards Holme Lane Planned 26 July - 9 August 2019 Blue Route - Halfway to Hillsborough Purple Route - Herdings Park to Cathedral Yellow Route - Meadowhall to Hillsborough TramTrain - Parkgate to Cathedral Work will take place at Hillsborough on Holme Lane. Buses will replace trams on the Yellow Route between Hillsborough and Middlewood and on the Blue Route between Hillsborough and Malin Bridge. Alternative Buses from Hillsborough into City along the Infirmary Road: - 35 Meadowhall to City via Hillsborough - 57 Stocksbridge to City via Hillsborough - 135/135A Rotherham to City via Hillsborough - 81/82 Stannington to Dore/Millhouses via City Alternative Buses from Hillsborough into City passing Leppings Lane/Hillsborough Park: - 35 Meadowhall to City via Hillsborough - 97/98 Hillsborough to Totley/Totley Brook via City - 135/135A Rotherham to City via Hillsborough Alternative Buses from Malin Bridge into City via Hillsborough: - 81/82 Stannington to Dore/Millhouses via City Area 5 Glossop Road (University of Sheffield Curve) Planned 25 August - 30 August 2019 Blue Route - Halfway to Cathedral Purple Route - Herdings Park to Sheffield Station (connect to Blue Route for travel into city or walk through Sheffield Railway Station). Yellow Route - Meadowhall to Cathedral TramTrain - Parkgate to Cathedral Work will take place at The University of Sheffield tram stop curve on Glossop Road. Buses will replace trams on the Yellow Route between Fitzalan Square and Middlewood and on the Blue Route between Fitzalan Square and Malin Bridge. Alternative Buses from Hillsborough into City along the Infirmary Road: - 35 Meadowhall to City via Hillsborough - 57 Stocksbridge to City via Hillsborough - 135/135A Rotherham to City via Hillsborough - 81/82 Stannington to Dore/Millhouses via City Alternative Buses from Hillsborough into City passing Leppings Lane/Hillsborough Park: - 35 Meadowhall to City via Hillsborough - 97/98 Hillsborough to Totley/Totley Brook via City - 135/135A Rotherham to City via Hillsborough Alternative Buses from Malin Bridge into City via Hillsborough: - 81/82 Stannington to Dore/Millhouses via City Alternative Buses from University into City along West Street: - 6 Millhouses to Darnall via City - 51 Lodge Moor to Charnock via City - 52/52A Wisewood/Hillsborough to Woodhouse via City - 95 Walkley to City via Commonside - 120 Fulwood/Ranmoor to Crystal Peaks/Halfway via City Full details: https://www.stagecoachbus.com/media-library/files/supertram/2019 rail replacement/supertram rrp overview leaflet 2019.pdf?la=en

Probably because there is very little offer in Sheffield city centre, compared to the likes of Manchester or Leeds. Says a lot when even Doncaster has a much better offering and a shopping centre right in the middle of the town centre...

Sounds like a complete pleb to be honest.

And people whinge over bus fares, most of which are less than £2 single into the city from outer terminus or £4.20 for a daysaver/£14.50 for a weeksaver.

Car overtook a tram on the pedestrian crossing, realised it was red, shot in to the left and hit the kerb. Wheel axle looked snapped as the wheel was totally bent.

Maybe one for Planner 1, but why has the scheme been designed to pedestrianise the eastern side (where the bookies/Cooplands is) of Fitzalan Square rather than the western side (where the taxi rank is)? I ask, as now it seems to be causing more traffic congestion and problems since the road was closed last week. All vehicles now have to turn right, and then left rather than continuing straight across towards Flat Street. Sheffield City Council in their wisdom have repainted the white lines on Haymarket indicating that 2 lanes of traffic can turn right, but this just leads to 1 lane on Commercial Street. It will become even more fun when buses start using the western side and want to access Angel Street, as you are not going to be able to turn left and right immediately in a large vehicle without blocking Commercial Street and that's if the lights will be synched. So my question would be, wouldn't it have been easier to pedestrianise the western side of Fitzalan Square where the current taxi rank is and the works to Esperanto Place will be taking place? That way Haymarket would remain 2 lanes of traffic and therefore not cause the amount of backlog and congestion that has been seen so far this week. Hopefully it is just teething troubles but the new road layout/markings on Haymarket are certainly an accident waiting to happen!

Orgreave Road? https://goo.gl/maps/NHdtyZEScNQ2 Just have a look on Google Maps, where the city boundary is and there will be plenty to chose from. Presumably more scenic on west side of city out towards the peaks.

The following services ran with a gradual start from 8am onwards from the outer terminus for a 8:30-9am arrival into city. 1A High Green to Herdings via City 3 City to Meadowhall 24 Woodhouse to Bradway via City 52A Woodhouse Station to Hillsborough via City 56 Wybourn to Herdings via City 75 Shiregreen to Batemoor via City 81 Stannington to Dore via City 83 City to Ecclesfield 97 City to Totley 135 City to High Green SL1 Middlewood to Stocksbridge There was also a half-hourly daytime service provided on Blue (Halfway to Meadowhall via Cathedral)/Yellow and Tram Train services.

Remember, the people of the 32 boroughs of London pay for this through their rates. So if you're happy to folk out an extra £500+ per year through your rates then I'm sure you'll be in the minority rather than majority. Hence why a de-regulated market has worked throughout the country for the last 30+ years. Transport for London are also cutting staff/routes etc. They face an increasing £1bn deficit and thus, bus routes are starting to be chopped/cut back. Have a read here: https://www.ft.com/content/920ad418-5929-11e8-bdb7-f6677d2e1ce8

There are some junctions that require traffic lights, just to let traffic onto the roundabout, due to traffic flow. But the vast majority don't and roundabouts as a general rule seem to work better than traffic light junctions. There are some exceptions of course - but I do know of one roundabout which has been left without lights as the modelling that was done showed it would make things worse. That is Parkgate Roundabout at the A633/A6123 junction in Rotherham (DFS/Aldi/ASDA). Thankfully Rotherham Council don't appear to be like Sheffield Council and stick traffic lights up in every possible location.

That's fair enough. There are further plans for changes to the bus network from February 2019 which would see a more frequent service along Parkway Avenue. Have to wait and see if A) this gets implemented from the bus consultation process and B) it becomes a more reliable service than the current 72.

Have to admit the traffic has been flowing much better since the lights have been off. Shame we can't trial it at many other junctions across the city, to see if it improves traffic flow and congestion at these junctions too.

Wouldn't it just be easier using the 72 bus that goes to Parkway Avenue?

Don't worry, we Yorkshire folk don't want Dronfield or any other place in Derbyshire. Should be a mandatory passport border check into god's own county LOL

I wouldn’t get too worked up about it, as the government have today rejected the Leeds CAZ plan, on the grounds that it’s too costly! Can’t see Sheffield getting one anytime soon! As for charging buses and taxis - absolute joke!

X1 or X78 bus it is then. At least they’re more frequent than the tram-train anyway!

SYPTE are currently holding a bus consultation between 29 October 2018 and 9 December 2018 for proposed bus service changes around the Rotherham/Sheffield area from February 2019. You can view the proposals and have your say at: https://www.travelsouthyorkshire.com/Feb2019/ Main changes for Sheffield appear to be: 22A/22C City to Wath upon Dearne / Manvers - More journeys provided between City and Rotherham via Waverley and Sheffield Business Park at peak times in both directions to cater for workers. Also revised to serve Parkway Markets as a partial replacement for service 72. Will show service X74 between City and Rotherham, with through tickets provided for services 22A/22C beyond Rotherham. 27 Crystal Peaks to Rotherham - Services extended beyond Rotherham to Parkgate, Monday to Fridays only. 31 Meadowhall to Rotherham - Service withdrawn and partially replaced by service 208. 32 City to Firth Park - Revised route proposed around Fox Hill and Parson Cross. Change of terminus point in City from Interchange/Arundel Gate to Angel Street. 36 City to Kimberworth Park - Extended beyond Kimberworth Park to Rotherham. 72 City to Meadowhall - Service withdrawn and partially replaced with services 74/74A/X74 and 208. 74A City to Rotherham - Service re-routed away from Manor Top/Richmond Road to serve Parkway Markets and Handsworth, before returning to current route at Handsworth Top. Richmond Road therefore only receives 1 bus per hour. 208 City to Dinnington - New service running via Attercliffe, Meadowhall Way (Argos/Primark bus stop), Tinsley, Brinsworth, Whiston, Thurcroft and Dinnington. A1 Meadowhall to Waverley - Service revised to run hourly at off-peak times. Service remains every 30 minutes at peak times to cater for workers. M17 Dore to Jordanthorpe - Extended to St James Retail Park and proposals to change the timetable and route further, in order to serve Chancet Wood. X1 City to Maltby - Revised to run every 15 minutes rather than every 10 minutes between Sheffield and Meadowhall. Service to be increased between Meadowhall, Rotherham and Maltby to 7/8 minutes. X5/X55 City to Dinnington - Minor timetable changes to increase reliability. X78 City to Doncaster - Increased to run every 12 minutes rather than every 15 minutes Monday to Friday. Remember these changes are not definite and you can have your say on the proposals at: https://www.travelsouthyorkshire.com/Feb2019/

If this becomes the case more regularly, I can see many not even bothering with the service. It's already an half-arsed attempt anyway, why could a 20 minute service not have been planned? It's been years in the making and plenty of time to change the train/tram timetables to fit around a 20 minute service, rather than 2 within 10 minutes then nothing for 20/30 minutes! It's also appalling how they just cancel runs, rather than run them. How are people at Cathedral supposed to know the tram service has been cancelled on an already infrequent and irregular service with no announcements or visual aids unless you have Twitter? It is interesting to see the majority of people are pass holders (OAP/Disabled) as they can travel free, where as fare paying passengers tend to be sticking with the train, which only takes 10-12 minutes from Rotherham and even with a connection in Sheffield onto the Blue/Purple service, can still beat the TramTrain service to the Cathedral. Between Parkgate/Rotherham and Meadowhall loadings seem pretty light too, yet the X1/X78 buses are still standing loads. Frequency/convenience vs. speed/reliability maybe?

Well by all accounts then, should we rename Meadowhall to "Sheffield Meadowhall" since it's in Sheffield as you say? :hihi:

Gave it a try yesterday and was impressed with how fast we got from Parkgate into Sheffield, seemed quicker than going on the Blue route between Crystal Peaks and Sheffield. However, I do have some concerns: 1- The PIDs have no information about the TramTrain service at all, no live departure information or service details - surely an embarrassment after 8 years in the planning? :huh: 2- The timings: Yellow route trams seemed to be in front of the TramTrain service slowing them down, even though when consulting the timetable they were shown to be a few minutes ahead of the Yellow route service? Yesterday the one we were waiting to return to Parkgate was 10 minutes late on a Sunday - 6 of those minutes were due to the tram waiting at Castle Square for what I presume was a late running Yellow route tram to clear Cathedral before it then moved up to Cathedral to turn around and go back towards Roterham. On a Sunday afternoon too! :rant: 3- The Yellow route trams don't provide any information on the announcements to change at Tinsley/Meadowhall South for Rotherham Central or Parkgate like what happens on all other routes. This has been in the planning again for the last 8 years and with the new/revised audio announcements only been introduced in January 2018 surely a bit of forward planning wouldn't have gone a miss here! :roll: On the plus side the route does seem good, and is very good value for money with the tickets that can be used and purchased on board. I also like the fact how at Rotherham Central and Parkgate there are also audio announcements for the tram and lists all the stops between Parkgate and Cathedral. One thing I didn't like was the inconsistency in the naming of stops: Parkgate as it should be, is clearly shown on the station signage etc. yet Stagecoach Supertram / Travel South Yorkshire seem keen on using "Rotherham" at the front of Parkgate of which there is no such place. At least the announcements onboard the tram state the correct destination "Parkgate" :hihi: