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Already arrested, charged and remanded into custody. As I mentioned earlier, it's often better just to do this, rather than arrest at the time, which takes coppers away from the scene when they are more valuable on location https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clywwvkrpexo Sadly seems to have had previous form, which is why this radicalisation against minorities is so dangerous. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/teenagers-plan-get-rid-europeans-2262107 A troubled teenager is set to receive professional help for his political beliefs from an anti-terrorism group after revealing to police how he wanted to “get rid of Europeans.”

Indeed; Chris Rose complaining about lack of action from the police, but very often the safest tactic, if there is no immediate threat to life, is to identify and arrest later. There just aren't enough coppers to go in mob handed. Re the identification phase, if the police don't already know, they likely will do soon as anonymous are already asking for ID I don't agree with public identification; the possible IDs should be forwarded to the authorities, as I've said to someone on here who suggested outing an individual.. https://x.com/AnonymousUK2022/status/1820530514224418995

Do you think perhaps he's seen this an going to offer the coppers some lunch?

Fully appreciate that, hence some of my comments. The notable thing for me, which some folk might not have picked up, is that by replying to these deliberately divisive accounts, he's intentionally amplifying them; it doesn't matter that he's mentioned civil war, any comment would do the trick, "civil war" just provides even more publicity as we have seen today. A more responsible site owner might consider restricting them, but he's chosen to raise their prominence. I still wonder if it's about monetarisation, or something far more dangerous.

Obviously Tice is using the news report video for a particular reason, but it's also being amplified elsewhere; The actual Twitter feed I was reading was another by Marc Owen Jones, rolled up here for on account holders https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1820521394134016197.html I was specifically reading it with reference to the earlier posts discussing Twitter since Musk bought it out, and the much publicised comments regarding civil war. I genuinely don't understand why he paid so much for the platform, and whether it was to make money, or for more nefarious reasons; there was obvious court cases involved too. This screenshot's from the end of the thread, but the whole thing is worth considering; RadioGenoa gets a mention too.

By coincidence, I was just reading about this from a different perspective; screenshot about what I assume to be a local doctor's though I've not confirmed it To be clear, I'm in no way condoning anyone being out on the street breaking the law or threatening anyone. Then I also saw a Twitter post by Jess Phillips

This is why we have the CPS to decide whether a case is likely to succeed, or is in the public interest. There are reasons why much legislation isn't overly specific, some of which is to prevent obvious offenders escaping prosecutions via loopholes; e.g. "Driving" isn't defined in mobile phone legislation. In reality the bar for prosecutions of "hate crime" is actually quite high; far higher than some idiots claim, so no-one is ever going to be prosecuted for flying the Union Jack because it's offensive to some minority group. Hitting someone over the head with it, whilst shouting obscenities, may well increase the penalties applied if the person is found guilty of assault for example, as it may be viewed as an aggravating factor; all that sort of stuff if published in sentencing guidelines. Broadly a useful safeguard might be that if everyone treats others, as they expect to be treated themselves, then there is little chance of being prosecuted. Lots of info here; https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime

Not really, it's not about the political bias of people using the site, it's about the nature of the content. Under previous ownership, all manner of users etc were banned for extremist content. Amongst Musk's first actions were to remove many of the staff who used to be responsible for site policing and replace them with AI. Many of the banned groups and individuals were then re-admitted. The nature of the algorithms used feed more an more extreme content to users who interact with it most.

I don't know how much of this report refers to Bolton; are you able to enlighten us please? Update following policing operation for protest activity around Greater Manchester GMP Greater Manchester Police ran a dedicated policing operation over the course of this weekend, 3-4 August 2024, strategically working with partners and protest organisers to facilitate peaceful and lawful protests. Officers made five arrests on Saturday and a further fourteen arrests on Sunday in relation to offences for being drunk and disorderly, possession of a weapon, assault, criminal damage, and violent disorder. A dedicated team of officers are currently working to bring charges against those arrested and investigators are carrying out work to identify further offenders who will become subject of police action:

There was a couple of incidents of an attack on a single individual in Sheffield; might even be against the same one twice, I'm not sure. Patently it shouldn't have happened. It's a bit of a dilemma for both police, and genuine non violent protestors such as almost everyone in Barkers Pool. Peaceful folk do have a right to stand up and be counted against racism etc, and were instrumental in the demo at the Liverpool Mosque, where the anti-Islam group were outnumbered something like 10:1 without any violence or arrests; refreshments were however supplied to all parties and a dialogue followed, hopefully long term constructive. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/03/love-will-prevail-how-a-far-right-rally-in-liverpool-was-defused On the other hand, a potentially large gathering in Sheffield demanded a suitably large police presence, which might have depleted the officers available for the expected riot at Manvers. Only half a dozen of the other group turned up in Sheffield, five more than Doncaster by the sound of it, but the police probably weren't aware of numbers in advance. Statement from Assistant Chief Constable Lindsey Butterfield in response to disorder in Rotherham "It began yesterday around 11.30am, when a group of 250 arrived in the Manvers area of Wath-upon-Dearne. A further group of around 500 people arrived shortly after, who we believe held far-right and anti-immigration views. "At the same time, a large crowd began to gather in Sheffield city centre, diverting a number of force resources. "It was at this point, we began to see an escalation in violence in Wath. Hotel windows were smashed, and there was a concerted effort to cause damage to the interior and serious harm to those inside.

Unfortunately there were a couple of incidents later at least; one seemed to involve the guy with the flag, who was on the receiving end, and one somewhere near the museum pub that I saw footage of. I don't know who started either of them, but still not good for what started out so well as a demo against violence etc. as originally shown in the photo above. I hope some of the peaceful protesters came to assist those who were assaulted, regardless of their reason for being there.

I did read that extra prosecutors and judges have been laid on in advance due to the prior intelligence. This is another Tweet which is relevant; a real issue now though, is that the current government, where we like them or not, have inherited an overloaded prison system.

Indeed, it seems to be a spectator sport. The arrest for torching a police car (Sunderland??) was an 11 year old according to police reports. The Police have issued a formal statement re Manvers; some commentators on here seem to disagree with the bit I've underlined. Update following disorder in Rotherham SYP Earlier today (4 August), several of our officers were injured during deplorable acts of violence outside the Holiday Inn Express Hotel in the Manvers area of Rotherham. We absolutely condemn the scenes of disorder we witnessed, with a total of around 700 people in attendance in Manvers Way earlier today. ................................... “The behaviour we witnessed has been nothing short of disgusting. While it was a smaller number of those in attendance who chose to commit violence and destruction, those who simply stood on and watched remain absolutely complicit in this. Those who choose to spread misinformation and hate online, also need to take responsibility for the scenes today. This was not a protest, just angry people, reacting to a false narrative, shared by people who have their own motivations for doing so.

Correct yes, otherwise was difficult to highlight text, particularly when referring to another since deleted post. There should have been an initial explanatory line, but for some reason it didn't show, so I must have deleted it in error, and not spotted in the preview pane before posting. Essentially it seems we have someone suggesting that it's right to call out racist posts, but complaining when they do. It's sometimes difficult to work out exactly what agenda(s) are at play.

Interestingly I and others did before the post was deleted Then someone replied.

It's obviously correct that everyone is entitled to have their own opinion, we can't police thoughts, but can hopefully provide education for anyone open to listening; sometimes when divisive opinions are openly voiced, it may well be appropriate for folk who want to live in harmony to call them out on it. We have already had at least one poster here complaining that there are too many non-white people living in London, without even considering their nationality or family history, and another suggesting mass deportation for all non UK citizens. It strikes me that such divisive comments may be openly and legitimately challenged.

Wrong way round; there was an initial thread about the Southport atrocity, and a second one created about the riots, out of respect for the victims at the dance event; a few posts were moved onto the second thread. The latter thread was always going to spin off into wider issues, so it seemed appropriate to create a second thread.

The rioters have been widely described that way recently by the press, and I think some politicians. I don't use social media such as Telegram, Gab, 4chan, Discord, Bitchute, etc but I have seen it reported that some "activists" have EDL on their profiles, and still openly express sympathy for that particular ideology. Yes I appreciate that's hearsay, as I've not seen it personally, but it is touched on in this report amongst others. Violent Southport protests reveal organising tactics of the far-right BBC Merseyside Police have publicly identified the English Defence League (EDL) as a key factor. While there are people who describe themselves as EDL supporters, the organisation ceased to exist in any formal sense after its founder, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon - who uses the alias Tommy Robinson - focused on spreading his message on social media platforms, where he has a sizeable following. But its core ideas - in particular an opposition to illegal immigration, mixed with hate predominantly aimed at Muslims - are very much alive, and loudly and widely spread among sympathisers online. Thrown into this mix are tropes from conspiracy theories that “elites” are somehow covering up the truth - including the abuse of British children. See also Tommy Robinson Stands Down From The EDL Sky The leader of the campaign group, and a senior colleague, announce their decision to quit due to "extremist elements". Tommy Robinson has quit as leader of the English Defence League because he says he can no longer control extremists within the far-right group.

No, send it to the police and let them/CPS take whatever action they deem necessary

From what I remember, that was my first ever bike as a kid in Liverpool. Sadly I've no idea whatever happened to it, though I suspect my parents gave it away to a good cause.

Education is the key to solving many problems. It's becoming a real issue that many seek their education via some dubious internet sources, rather than more conventional or trusted outlets. I'm sure it's not helped that much of our press is controlled/owned by offshore interests. How do you educate folk who go round trashing libraries, and then attack the fire service when they come to deal with the flames? Severe damage to community hub and other properties following violent disorder on Country Road (Obvious Typo, should say County Road, where I was often taken shopping as a kid) The group gathered at around 8pm and from the start were intent on committing serious violence and disorder, which resulted in community facilities being set on fire. The Spellow Lane Library Hub, which was opened last year to provide a much needed on stop shop for one of the most deprived communities in the country, has suffered severe damage to the ground floor. When firefighters arrived those gathered tried to stop them, without success, from getting to the fire to put it out. They even threw a missile at the fire engine and broke the rear window of the cab. Also set on fire was a local convenience store which provides a vital service for the community, earlier a number of people had entered the shop en masse and stolen a number of items including the till. Other shops were broken into and a number of wheelie bins and industrial bins were set on fire. Clearly these were likely just rioters and thieves, with no sense of patriotism, or concern for local communities. Maybe the British way is to sit down quietly with a nice cup of tea and engage with others in an educational setting. Many religious institutions have open days where all are welcome, Churches, Mosques, Gurdwaras etc.

Please don't confuse Islam with Islamists; in the UK, Mosques, Christian churches, and other religious institutions often work together in harmony.

I didn't get chance to add this before, but she seems to be an associate of James Melville An interesting Character, and also an occasional author at Bylines https://bylinetimes.com/author/jamesmelville/ This was her previous account before the one she's currently set as protected Revealed: The Climate Denial Network Behind ‘Classic Astroturf’ Farmers’ Campaign Producers say ‘No Farmers, No Food’ is a populist initiative that serves to “whip up indignation and anger”. Sporting a distinctive black and yellow tractor logo, the campaign’s hashtag trended on X a week after its launch on 23 January. Its founder James Melville told DeSmog that the campaign, which claims to represent the voices of farmers, plans to target national and local legislation on issues like pricing and food security as well as “aspects of net zero”. James Melville is a PR consultant who has appeared as an anti-lockdown campaigner on right-wing broadcaster TalkTV and a farming commentator on GB News. A former journalist who grew up on a livestock and arable farm, he said he started the campaign to put “pressure on governments to help farmers … and shape the messages that will build public support”. But while Melville’s campaign claims to speak for farmers, arable and livestock farmer Joe Stanley says the initiative does not represent his industry. “There is massive discontent in the farming community,” he said. “But this does not seem to be a farmer-generated movement.” “Populism whips up indignation and anger,” Stanley added. “That is what ‘No Farmers, No Food’ is doing, clearly with the hope of creating a wider movement as we’ve seen in Ireland and Holland.” Journalist Peter Geoghegan, author of ‘Democracy for Sale: Dark Money and Dirty Politics’, said that ‘No Farmers, No Food’ had “all the hallmarks of a classic astroturf campaign” – a supposedly ‘grassroots’ campaign that provides a front for political or commercial interests.

It's probably more sensible than asking folk to turn up with masks and baseball bats. Hopefully everyone attending will heed his request. Still on his Facebook page though

I don't disagree with you in it's current format, now that it's run by Elon Musk. It used to be excellent for some stuff if you selected the content carefully, where you looked. Not just Twitter (X) the various social media algorithms tend to feed more and more extreme content to individuals, if they see a higher level of interaction. There's a huge amount of false and inflammatory stuff on Twitter, but also high quality de-bunking of it if you search it out. I'm not saying it's necessarily intentional, but there's not enough being done to combat it. Equally, if you never interact with any political content, but are a nature lover, then you're likely to be fed stuff about ornithology, botany etc,