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Seconded. I certainly will not be supporting this "protest" and think the demands are absolutely disgraceful. What "right" do these people have for free train travel. Why the hell should they. Whilst I dont have any objection to free bus passes in the local area to give granny some independance and get her to the doctors or in and out of town I certainly do object to mine and everyone elses hard earned taxes being use to fund day trips out on the railways here there and everywhere. Many of this current generation of "hard done" pensioners have not served king and country, they have not suffered through the world wars, they have not been housebound paupers living in their ramshakle slums. Many have had long and successful careers, Many have invested into the property market, Many have built up a significant amount of savings, investments and private pensions. Many will have more disposable income than your average full time worker. Pay your own bloody train fares. What next? Sheffield freedom flyers protesting in Manchester Airport? After all, how possibly could the poor old dears be expected to pay for a flight eh? Its their rights init?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28715052 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/09/gaza-protest-march-london-raise-funds-victims-conflict-israel-palestine http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/israelgaza-conflict-thousands-protest-in-london-for-end-to-massacre-and-arms-trade-9659180.html http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/08/09/london-gaza-protest_n_5664363.html?utm_hp_ref=uk (source: PA) http://www.itv.com/news/london/update/2014-08-09/thousands-take-part-in-protest-march/ https://uk.news.yahoo.com/gaza-protests-thousands-attend-pro-palestinian-demo-london-143501119.html#1uXBH34

Except for the reports on the BBC, ITN, Express, Mail, Guardian, Independant, Huffington Post, Press Association, Sky News, MSNBC, Reuters.... No clearly nobody is interested in reporting it.

Me. Tesco stores are cold sterile dumps with low quality products and expensive prices.

I have never said it was IN the city centre. My original reply which has been wonderfully sidetracked was in response to this post: The end of London Road is just one road crossing over from the end of the Moorfoot area which from YOUR own map is still within the CITY CENTRE boundries. If something is on the opposite side of the road to something else is that not in most normal people's opinon virtually within the same area. Sunwin house was virtually on The Moor. Hallam Uni is virtually accross from the Train Station. *virtually* Nearby / Imminent / Close / Essentially / Almost / In effect / close to / Next to.........whatever you like. Now, im not arguing the toss over this point any more. You seem to be defining the city centre as one central point from which everything flows out from. Im not. Im defining the word "city centre" as what it is "The central part or main business and commercial area of a city. When someone says to you my office is in Leeds City Centre do you assume that they talk of one sq mile of Headrow and Gr George St and dismisss the rest of it? I dont think so. Are you really defining Sheffield City Centre as merely peace gardens, surrey street and union street?

Oh here we go again. Another one living in the past. Who cares what the "traditional" city centre was. We are supposed to be talking about the city centre now. That certainly does include haymarket right through to the moorfoot one way and the station right through to the Glossop Road the other. Whether you agree or not that area and everything on the immediate edge of is certainly defined as a city centre on all maps, planning docs, rates and property searches. The end of London Road is just a road crossing away from the Moorfoot area. How much closer do you want it to be to the city centre boundaries? Places change. Places evolve. New things get built. Old things get demolished. Oh, I forgot. Sheffielders dont do change.

Yes one end of it is. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/City+Centre,+Sheffield,+South+Yorkshire/@53.3776825,-1.4702985,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x4879828191db4af5:0x29c9d8772a649f10

Thank god for that. Its called progress. Its how cities evolve. How dare you talk about the "middle class" as if its some kind of infectious disease that should be stamped out. Plenty of rough hands will shop in Hugo Boss, Selfridges and Waitrose. They certainly earn enough. Just as the man with the slick hair, briefcase and suit might actually be more in the LIDL and Poundland income brackets. Who are you to judge what "class" they are? Life has moved on. Cuttsie - wake up! Nobody gives a toss about your precious "traditional market". Low cost food for the so called working class people and such other guff you speak of has been available in plentiful supply for decades at this magical place called a SUPERMARKET. We the public voted with our feet and chose to shop there. They offer parking, late nights, full range, full service in a one stop shop. MARKETS DONT. For markets to survive they have to offer something that supermarkets arn't doing. Quality, specialist, fresh products that people want to buy. It has to have a purpose for going. It has to be an experience. Service has to be personal and knowledgable. What is your obsession with class and type. Who says that "working class" dont buy quality fresh produce from specialist suppliers. Who says that "middle class upstarts" dont buy Smartprice Noodles from Asda. Soul and street life? Really?? Come back to reality. The 60s are over..........man....

No I picked up my caring manner spending over 10 years working in Legal Aid assisting street homless and drug dependant clients resolve their problems and get back on their feet. Plus my work as a Director at a learning disability charity providing training, employment and entertainment to adults with learning disabilities. Do you know what all these people had in common? They made every attempts they could to HELP THEMSELVES. They would listen to the advice, they would make the effort to liaise with the relevant organisations, they would learn new skills, they would make every effort to develop themselves to get back into contributing what they could to society. Any JSA claimant has a duty to ensure they are doing exactly the same. "I cant do that..." "Its too hard..." "I dont want to..." from a perfectly able person receiving benefit whilst they are supposedly seeking work just does not cut it with me.

Nope. Why would that be relevant anyway?

Who cares if they WANT to be... They are to take all necessary steps to seek work. Basic computer literacy is a major skill everyone should have in the modern world. If you have not got it and you want your JSA, get it. Its not for people to choose what skills and abililties they WANT to do have when someone else is paying their living costs. Taking ALL necessary steps to seek all suitable work as quickly as possible. That's what JSA is supposed to be for. Temporary benefit for people in between jobs. Everyone is CAPABLE of doing something with approprite training, which the jobcentre and other organistaitons freely offer. Unless there is a specific physical, learning or mental health disability which absolutely prevent someone from understanding what they are being shown - in which case a said person would not be on JSA anyway - there is no reason why someone after training will not be "confident" to do something as basic as use to internet and look for a job.

No its a magic thing called google. "public toilets in sheffield" Hardly rocket science. They are all listed on the COUNCIL website so either their list is seriously out of date considering they are all still on there or you are not looking hard enough. The communty toilet scheme is set up and run as partnership through the COUNCIL and yes, although JC Decaux do operate the superloos they are put in place and paid for by the COUNCIL. So what more do you want the COUNCIL to be doing? Why should precious taxpayer monies in the middle of a massive round of cuts be spent on even more council owned council funded council maintained toilets. Its 2014 not 1900. Every house has a toilet, every bar, restaurant, department store, supermarket, shopping precinct, council office, housing office, transport interchange, office building, public building, town hall, city hall, theatre and cinema in the city centre has tolilets. Toilets are onboard trains, larger buses/coaches and then if you are still that desprate there are pay toilets around every street. If during the course of the day you never ever pass through any of the above - what the hell are you doing out and about?

Never read anything so stupid in my life. Try opening your eyes more. No public toilets? What about all these then.. Angel Street Exchange Street The Moor Birley Moor Road Bolsterstone Darnall Deepcar Endcliffe Park Forge Dam Glen Howe Park Graves Park Hillsborough Park Millhouses Park Rivelin Valley Park Whirlow Brook Park Oh yeah and all these freely accessible through the Council's Community Toilet Scheme.... B&Q, Greenland Road, S9 5HE Bankers Draft, Market Place, S1 2GH Benjamin Huntsman, Cambridge Street, S1 4HP Debenhams, The Moor, S1 3LR Frog and Parrot, Division Street, S1 4GF Henry's Bar, Wellington Street S1 4HS John Lewis, Barkers Pool, S1 1EP Lifestyle Centre, Beighton, S20 1HE Lloyds, The Sheffield Waterworks Company, Division Street, S1 4GF Morrisons, Ecclesfield, S35 9WJ Morrisons, Meadowhead, S8 7UE Morrisons, Penistone Road, S6 2GY Orchard Square, City Centre, S1 2FB Sheffield Railway Station, Sheaf Square, S1 2BP SOYO, Rockingham Street, S1 4EB Swim Inn, Glossop Road, S10 2GW The Varsity, West Street, S1 4EW The Wick At Both Ends, West Street, S1 4EW Sorby House, Spital Hill, S4 7LG Walkabout, Caver Street, S1 4FS Yates's, Cambridge Street, S1 4HP

I dont agree. Tube drivers manage to arrive, unload and load passengers and close doors with little or no assistance from a conductor or platform staff. Only on very busy stations with big crowds do they have staff despatching trains manually. Somehow they seem to manage without decapitating passengers or loss of limbs. I personally beleive that its a big union influence all this "safety" talk. Its exactly the same as what the late Bob Crow and his RMT cronies did during the many many tube strikes. It was proven to be a myth and sad as it is, many passengers (...particuarly commuters) could not really care whether there is a conductor or not. As long as they can get on their train and get to their destination as quickly and cheaply as possible that's all that matters. Barriers, machines, driverless trains, one conductor, five conductors... It makes no difference to many travellers.

All very loveley and nostalgic but that was all 25+ years ago. Times change and things move on.

What are you talking about. ITS A SHOPPING STREET. Why would the Moor in any state pre or post MPS building have dozens of restaurants and take aways on it. Of course London Road is vibrant at night. Its when most people tend to go out for dinner or go drinking. As for your interpretation of "flurish" well, you can be on your own with that one. A few supermarkets and junk shops are hardly prime retail. Do you know why the Moor is quiet at night?? Because the shops are closed. You know, just like Oxford Street, Princess Street, Corporation Street or any other major shopping strip in the world after hours. Ever walked around Meadowhall after 9.00pm? Noticed how quiet it is eh. Spooky init. Of course London Road has free parking. Its not in the heart of the city centre surrounded by retail and office units. You really are clutching at straws here.

What Department stores are you talking about that were these "established up to date retailers" Cooperative namely mini castle house and Sunwin House collapsed because SCS closed down and Yorkshire Cooperative Group merged with the National Cooperative Group who closed all of their non food operations. The unit was replaced by Sainsburys and Sunwin House is to be redeveloped - therefore nobody can or will buy it as they cannot operate anything from it. As for the others. Robert Brothers did not "move elsewhere" it simply ceased trading. Woolworths as a national company went bankrupt so again nothing to do with the Moor location. BHS/Debenhams and Atkinsons are all still there and seem to be doing strong despite the "demise" of the Moor you speak of. Atkinsons particuarly is 140 years+ and still going. None of them are "moving anywhere". TJ Hughes has actually moved into the moor. As will Primark in due course. so again, your argument fails there. Things are MOVING IN not moving out. The place is not "dominated with empty shops and pound stores". Empty shops make up just a handful of the units on the Moor. If you count you might find far more occupied than empty. A large block of the "empty units" are currently under contruction and will soon be turned into new developments. You cannot build without clearing out first. Incidently, there are only two pound shops on the Moor. Also, why should there be Pubs on the Moor - is that some sort of hallmark I dont know about. Its a shopping street. I am not ignoring symptoms because there are no symptoms. Its retail. It has peaks and troughs. Sheffield are certainly not the only city centre to be feeling the pinch and certainly doing far better than many others around the country. People who constantly play the "dump" "run down" "decaying" record all the time should take a look around the country every now and then. Try Perth, Bedford, Swindon, Bradford or Southampton. SCC had a major setback with the failed SS project I agree and they have been no way perfect in their actions. HOWEVER, things are moving. Developments are happening and despite your protests I simply do not agree that the so called "decline" of the moor has anything at all to do with the fact that a carraigeway no longer goes through it. All this talk as if the MPS Building is some sort of inpenitrable fortress for people from London Road. Absolute crap. Most people will be travelling through by bus anyway, which surprise surprise stops right outside the shops. Those that dont, hey guess what, you can walk around it. OK so you shop elsewhere and many others do too. I cannot argue with that. But, what exactly has the Council done to make you do that? What about we the public voting with our feet. We the public changing our shopping habits. We the public choosing to shop online and in supermarkets. We the public living and working further away from the city centre.

Are you for real?? Firstly, the MPS Building was under contruction in the late 70s and was occupied from 1981. The moor did not decline. In fact throughout the 80s and 90s it continued to be packed with stores and shoppers. That's nearly 20 years post MPS Building and the road closures. Its only since the increase in popularity of Meadowhall, companies moving to outside city sites and decline of the coop group closing two major stores in that location and the unavoidable delays with the Sevenstone Project that it even began to decline and that was as late as the 00s Secondly, you can still drive down either side of the moor parallel to the rear of each and every shop unit. You can get even closer by driving into Matilda Street, Eyre Street or Rockingham Gate. Hardly a million miles away. Thirdly, let just indulge your nostalga here and just imagine for one second that the moor was back as it was with its two way traffic and no manpower services building blocking the way. What difference would it possibly make to the Moor's accessibility. Do you really think for one second in 2014 with our current traffic levels combined with pedestrians/buses/taxis and cyclists that it would be utopia where you can just swing in and park up on a nice single yellow outside any shop you want. WAKE UP :loopy: People like you are just a perfect example of why this city is always lagging behind. "...dont like change" "...it should have been left how it was..." "...its all the Council's fault..."

Says who?? The only definition of a market is this one... A market, or marketplace, is a regular gathering of people for the purchase and sale of provisions, livestock, and other goods Nothing in there says it had to be cheap tat. A market can sell whatever it wants to sell. Have you seen some of the stalls when the continental market is all over fargate. Have you been to some of the artisan food markets in London/Manchester/York. Have you ever had a wander around Covent Garden or Camden Markets. Never mind Meadowhall prices - some of those stall are going into the Knightsbridge prices group. The whole point of a successful booming market is that they have a unique selling point or they sell something which makes people want to buy. In our case it has to be something very very different to what is already out there in every other store or supermarket. It has to offer a service and/or product which draws people in. What really is the point in 2014 of a Market being filled with cheap household tat, budget clothing and low cost low quality food when such product lines are already more easily (and often cheaper) available in hundreds of discount stores and supermarkets. I want to see the new Moor Market to evolve into a success by offering something different and ultimately better than a supermarket or variety store. That's how its going to survive. Nuts to all this "...Markets are for the real people. Markets should be catering for those on low incomes...". That's all a load of socialist claptrap. Farmfoods/Heron/Iceland/Asda/Job Lot/Wilkinsons/Primark provides for the low incomes. That aint gonna change. Markets dont anymore. Those traders needs to get with the times and think about their location, local populus and ADAPT accordingly. Thanks to the new student accommodations, relocation of council departments, merging of BT offices into one building, expansion of the civil service offices, new fire services HQ and further increases of student villages around London Road/Eccy Road there are thousands of potential customers living or working minutes away - many of whom many not have a car or a car easilly accessible and therefore many be more likley to be daily shopper rather than a traditional weekly shopper. Many of these will be affluent with tastes and trends to match. They are all ripe for the picking if some of the traders can shun off their oh so precious traditions, stop pointing fingers at the council and actually look ahead for once.

So what? What he did and didn't need for the old market is irrelevant. He needed one to move to the new one. If his allegedly successful business was to keep on trading all he had to do was draft one. Clearly did not care enough to do so, and therefore stopped trading. Their loss. As for the baker - I dont see what starting at 5.00am has to do with things. Why did they NEED to start baking at 5.00am? If the facilities/terms did not allow them to do so, why did they not adapt their working methods. Once again, they seemingly choose not to do so and stopped trading. their loss.. All sounds far too much of "dont like change" and "its all the council's fault" rather than actually bothering to embrace the change. Authors of their own misfortune as far as im concerned. Successful businesses are ones that adapt and change throughout their lives those that dont. dont last. Just like the earlier comments from people about why the majority of traders voted against opening on a bank holiday when there was a special event on right outside their own front doors. That is just madness but not unsurprising. Once again, I can just imagine the screams and wailings of "dont like change" "never have opened on a bank holiday" "..we are not changing our operations" "we are not going to adapt" "we are not going to try something different"... Sainsburys must have been laughing all the way to the bank.

Well said. That's what I have always thought. Many shops in London dont open until around 10.00am because many people simply are not there to shop in them. Many are still communting in or simply dont want to be out and about that early. But what it means is that they are open right through to 7.00pm and beyond catching the trade of those leaving work wanting to pick up things on their way home. That to me is a far better business hours for retailers these days. I really dont know why more dont do it. Has anyone ever had a look at Meadowhall's shopping hours. Its not a coincidence they chose those times. http://www.meadowhall.co.uk/opening_times.aspx

I actually said in the middle of the new anchor retail centre. Quite different. I am making the point that they moved the market hall into where they are also going to shift most of the major retailers. That's the whole purpose of redevelopment. What really would be the point of shifting the majority of the retail to the other end of town and leaving Castle Market sat there alone like some guarded outpost. Change has happened. CM aint coming back. People need to use it or lose it altogether. Time for people to stop harping on as if a limb has been lost.

Ok so rents are cheaper in Chesterfield - a small town as compared to a rent in the heart of a major retail development in the fifth biggest city in the country. I dont really know what you are getting at. That's like saying why are rents cheaper at Crystal Peaks than the are in Meadowhall. Land is more expensive in Central Sheffield thus rental value is more expensive. Potential foothall is much higher in Central Sheffield. Sheffield has a brand new multi million pound market hall right in the middle of what will become the new anchor retail centre. Chesterfield does not.

"...no thank you. just looking at the moment..." ?? What did they do when you of course said those words to them?

Rubbish. Its not "stuck" down the bottom of anywhere. The moor is a prime retail site. Its on a prime shopping street surrounded by established chains and Department Stores with a footfall to match. That "demolition" you refer to is BUILDING of more shops and leisure units. God sake - what is wrong with people in this city. Castle Market was built in 1960 at a time when Haymarket/Castlegate WAS one of the prime retail hubs. It lasted 40+ years before times changed and it went into decline. NOW ITS NOT - time to move on. Retail in the city is moving. Regneration is taking place and the Moor and surronding streets WILL BECOME the new prime retail spots. The new Market Hall is part of that regeneration in the area where its supposed to be. In a few years when the work is all done and Haymarket is dead people will be still be mourning the loss of the decaying dump that was Castle Market? I think not.