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The writer of the misleading headline on SheffNews clearly didn't. The service is only free for those with existing concessionary travel pass which they could use on any other bus service which travels through the city anyway so what's the point. Its us mugs actually funding this "free" city clipper service who will have to cop a small charge to actually use it. To think those in charge having the nerve to declare this some great victory and development to the city. The incompetence has no limits. So just to recap, a former service that was free for all users at a time when even concessionary pass holders had to pay a small charge onboard regular buses is been brought back (despite the concessionary pass holders now able travel for free anyway on any bus) but with a clause that any other user of the Hopper service now has to pay! Absolute genius lads. I will be interested to know what this so-called small charge is going to be. If there is more than a couple of people in your group might as well jump into an uber. Personally, I don't understand why they can't make the whole thing self-funding with limited effort or involvement from the local authorities. Surely it wouldn't be much of a stretch to sell it out on a rolling contract to advertisers and have it as a glorified mobile billboard. Passengers would still get their convenient little Hopper service free at the point of use and without major intervention from the taxpayers. For visitors or recently arrived students in the city they could even use it as points of navigation with the bus announcing relevant stopping points to alight for landmarks or paid for sponsored highlighting of nearby businesses as it goes round.

Its simple enough. Just takes a bit of planning and scheduling to set up appropriate appointments. There are dozens of apps or software which enables such sorts of meetings which all still have a functionality of face-to-face and ability to display or share are documents and images. Given lockdown brought along numerous advancements in online tutoring, adopting it to to improve the chaos and tedium of parents evening is just a natural step. What about some other positives online could offer. If a school is not having to organise masses of parents descending on it after hours and cluttering up it's buildings, there is scope for Teachers to undertake virtual meetings in a much more convenient and wider timeframe. It could enable parents who are still in work to take such appointments without having to leave. It could enable parents who may have separated and not live in the same area to still attend without great inconvenience... it could potentially save hundreds of unecessary extra car journeys and inevitable cluttering up of the roads around the school... I would argue that Society is interacting far more now than ever before. It is just different the way we are doing it. People still have plenty of physical human interactions with the people they want to do it with. We are not going to be hugging and embracing our child's teachers are we. Interactions with all the parents is already happening with schools having WhatsApp groups, forums, discussion groups, with more than enough dialogue and gossip and speculation to make any judgements on the quality of school life. Let's be completely honest here. It wasn't that long ago when people were so insular they wouldn't interact with people from a different Village up the road. Long-distance communications with relatives and loved ones were limited to written letters or extremely expensive voice only phone calls. Now have a generation of people interacting and forming communities with groups of people across the planet. The advancements in communication technology, social media, live streaming, FaceTime, WhatsApp, zoom calling, MSteams, chat services and even forums like this have resulted in constant instant communication and interaction. People building friendships, building relations and breaking boundaries which are not restricted to physical travel limitation, expense or timezone. For the younger generation today, they shun 'phone calls' in favour of facetiming, video calling, constant streams of dialogue on text messages. They are photographing, documenting aspects of their lives and sharing it with their own built Communities of Friends. They are videoing their activities and journalling whatever they feel is important to them and their formed social groups. Touch and physical is only one tiny aspect of social interaction. The only reason it had such prominence and supposed importance thus far was because there were no alternatives. Now there is. We need to be very careful not to let fear of change, reluctance to adapt, or the seemingly regular mocking, downplaying, criticising, ignorance and suspicions of 'online interactions' push down it's obvious benefits, improvement and achievements.

Just to add, some of these people better also start wearing balaclavas and gloves when they go shopping given facial recognition technology within stores, malls and banks is very much available. There is even talk of it even being rolled out further with enhanced biometrics to enable age verification on restricted purchases, such as alcohol, without requiring involvement from staff. Time for some to get themselves into the modern world. The days of taking ones wicker basket and coin purse over to Mr Wilson's general provisions store are well and truly over.

Why not? Personally, I have done card transactions for 10p when I forgot about a carrier bag charge. Car parking pay machines are often contactless and process small transactions and millions of online retailers do transactions by card against goods which cost pennies. Really is not such a novelty these days. I found it interesting that people are going on about the cost of card processing and the doom that we all face when the system goes down, seemingly forgetting that cash equally has a cost to process and lots of risks to. As others have said, yes card machines can break, computers can go down but it's all connected. If a banks computer system falls off, ATMs will also fall off, tellers will not be able to hand out cash over the counter and most modern day shop tills will suddenly become useless. People talk about hackers and the dangers in using cards but what about cash robberies, muggings, notes being dropped in the street....that's just as much of a risk. I'd also like to bet the tracing an electronic transaction made fraudulently is far easier in trying to identify and trace compared to cash money that has been nicked. Then we have to think about the businesses. Yes there are card transaction fees which is why some of them do traditionally have a minimum spend, however as more and more of us embrace cashless and there are alternatives to the big boys in terms of processing these days- Society has had a distinct change of attitude. For those with small businesses cash is a personal hassle that they have to deal with. It has to be collated and counted, sorted and separated and then taken physically to a bank to be paid in. For the larger businesses, they require entire departments to look after such things and spend a fortune on paying some private security transporter company to distribute or deposit their cash at the end of a day. Obviously that all comes with an overheads and risks. Now we have a situation where a small business can set up quite easily, buy a cheap card reader machine from any electronics store and boom away they go. All their transactions logged, accounting automatically, reduced security risk and a much more attractive proposition for the customers. People talk about 'power to the banks' but unless they are are some freak who still thinks it's acceptable to keep their money under their mattress, their bank already knows more than enough about how they spend. Shops already collate and share data about where we go. We are filmed every time we enter a store or a town centre. We have enough loyalty cards to require a separate wallet and for several years the shop tills have tracked every purchase on what we buy and tailor offers on the things we want. In my opinion some of these more wild objections against embracing the obvious convenience and betterment that comes with cashless are nothing more than just conspiracy theories and paranoia about "The Man". If some Russian hacker wants to look through my boring bank statements and become enlightened on how many times I go to Sainsbury's a week good luck to them. I suspect like most sensible people with the well-established concept of online banking, I check my statement once or twice a week and will be able to spot any criminal fraud quite easily. That's just a sensible precaution -about the same level and effort as one previously who would keep money safely in a wallet and not walking down the street waving it around in their hand. Of course we all get drawn in by the scary headlines about the rapid rise of cybercrime but given the equally rapid rise in online transactions and card payments is it really such a surprise. Our own precautions and security just need to evolve with it.

I know full well what the thread title say thank you. It is clear that your opinion is the city is much worse I am countering that. I am also responding to the points you specifically choose to raise. You stated about where to buy a TV so don't go all defensive when you get given an answer... You are the one who who hysterically described the sight of of vagrants sitting in shop doorways as if it's some treacherous, exhausting, life-threatening gauntlet every single day. I am perfectly entitled to challenge people on it.... you were the one who chose to bring up London so don't get all defensive and try to brush it off when people call you out for making such comparatives. Yes I think night-night is right. Time for you to go sleep it off.

Seems to be far too much rose tinted nostalgia to me. Firstly, I frequent Sainsbury's on a regular basis as I work nearby and don't have to face any 'gauntlet' nor am I constantly surrounded by Spice users. On the rare occasion, god forbid, I do have an encounter with some vagrant I do exactly the same procedure as I do in any other City across the world. I say no thank you and keep moving. You must have lived a very sheltered life not to have seen the realities of humanity out on public street, spice is just the latest trend. So what if you happen to see one? as long as they're not bothering you.... let's not get all hysterical as if it's some major crisis where we can't so much as step out of our front doors without tripping over one. Let's also not pretend for one second that drunks, beggars, vagrancy and drug use wasn't prevalent on our streets back in the so-called good old days. Ive been around long enough to remember Peace Gardens version 1 or that Prize winning dank cesspit known as the hole in the road or had to deal with many a creature of the night bus. If you are wanting a TV in the city centre, Atkinsons has a department selling them, Argos has pages full of them in their catalogue, you could click and collect from John Lewis and pick up at Waitrose or a short journey further I'm sure you will find one of the many Currys stores that sell televisions or pick up a television sold nowadays in any large supermarket....... it's almost as if somehow the world has moved on and the trend of buying large bulky goods from city centre locations has evolved. It's as if there's some alternative to shopping within a city centre that people are attracted to these days. I wonder what that could be..... Of course parking is more difficult and costly than yesteryear because unsurprisingly, there's a global trend to get people out of their cars and on to other modes of transport. That is not just in our city but every city on the planet. In any event, our parking is still much cheaper compared to many of our so-called rival cities. Now, whilst I admit that our Arena is losing out some of the more prestige gigs in favour of the new and shiny Leeds one, let's not forget that we have also had nearly 30 years ahead of Leeds on the arena front. We still also have one of the largest Theatre complexes outside the West End, our own Comedy and documentary festivals each year and several films and television shows still being made and produced in the city boundaries. The arena, city hall and theatres all have a full schedule and the more populist touring acts still reaches us. Finally, as for your comments on London, I can tell you as someone has to travel there very regular for work - you must have been extremely lucky. I don't know where you went but I have seen plenty of Street Homeless in all parts of London including the more exclusive areas of Belgravia and Sloane Street. Of course you would find it "looking rather pleasant" considering it is our Nations capital and gets the vast majority of the money share. Not much different from any other capital city in the world. Hardly a fair comparator with Sheffield is it.

That says a lot more about you than him. As for the whole zoom call stuff, another load of emotive OTT nonsense. What do we expect to happen in 2022. I've done entire court hearings determining a major part of someone's life over a video call. The world of business has moved on and zoom calls are routine. Just how do you seriously think 800 staff we're going to be immediately notified of the situation without such facility. The company have already made it very clear in their statement that where staff were physically present they were told in person. However it would be naive to think that they could go around every single 800 persons simultaneously to break the news. How would it have looked if some of those affected employees found out 2-3 days later than others. The unions and all the Talking Heads will still be bitching about it no matter what they did.

Oh yes the Herald of Free Enterprise operated by that proper British company and stuffed with lots of proper British staff. That worked out well. For goodness sake, just because the new workforce is filled with lots of those funny foreigners does not mean that the mandatory licensing, inspections and safety checks will suddenly disappear. How do you think most cruise lines operate- they are filled with staff from around the globe but you don't see their ships falling over and sinking every 5-minutes. This is business. Simply taking advantage of lower price workforce just like every other company does and just like us consumers are more than happy to exploit when it suits us. I bet you don't make robust enquiries into where your cabin crew or pilot is domiciled or licenced every time you step on a budget flight. Nonsense argument.

The RMT must feel stupid now for advising their members to vote brexit.... funny how they're not mentioning that in their press releases or during their high and mighty placard waving.

I would suggest we still are, with people more than happy to embrace and accept it - as long as it's happening to somebody else and not one of our own. Haven't those children up the chimney just been converted into sweatshop factories in the Far East and developing Nations making our clothing and trainers and pound shop stock and consumer electronics.... which we all flock to buy with their bargain basement prices. How about something a little more or close to home, we all love to visit the the great big nation of America, we all love coming home bragging about fantastic holidays there with their grate food and even better service - whilst blatantly ignoring the fact that many of the serving staff can't survive without tips and many American employees don't get contractual basics like paid leave even in 2022. You talk about our ancestors but what has really changed. We are all still exploiting when suits us, and in 100 years time there will simply be a new breed of it. It is already happening with the digital age. Teenagers and youngsters whose 'career' has become self publication and gratification financially tied to some uncontrollable mystery algorithm generating views and ad revenue. This results in them working hours a week, no time off and constantly producing video content to desperately try to keep pace whilst also having a constant risk that the system could take it all the way at the drop of a hat with no warning. Interesting the outrage people are showing towards P&O Ferries for their actions in trying to desperately plug a financial black hole in their business whilst at the same time thousands are volunteering and embracing the self-inflicted world of social media and influencer 'careers'. I don't want to sound like a broken record but hypocrites doesn't even come close to how we behave at the moment. We campaign, we chant, we claim we want to put the world better and stop exploitation but it's all so insincere and lackluster. We don't really.

Does anyone actually care. As long as it's not them affected........ meh. Nothing more than a load of 'oh dearism'. Like I said, we are all selfish hypocrites. We chant and scream about employee rights when it happens to our own but don't give a flying fig about our exploitation and advantage that we reap over other nations. The cruise industry, merchant sailors, serving staff, chef's, porters, housekeepers, valets, drivers, cabin crew in countries around the world are on peanut wages - have been for decades. It's how any company operates with foreign registry and ability to recruit staff from multiple jurisdictions. Its how nations across the globe continue in their power struggle to dominate over each by offering betterment and incentives over a neighbour. It's something we average people on the street are all more than happy to embrace and celebrate by the fact that it gives us great value on the price tag and the freedom to simply walk away and choose elsewhere when it doesn't. Not a second thought about who we might be putting out of business or the ethics That includes the EU Nations who deludedly seem to think they have a right to be all high and mighty over this issue. They certainly don't given that Irish Ferries for example, did exactly the same 'appaulling' 'disgraceful' business practices recently. Or that there are many EU Nations who are paying less money per hour than we ever did. Go ask your average Brit in Benidorm if they care that Juan behind the bar gets paid so called 'poverty' wages or that Consuela the housekeeper working on their £399 package cruise ship has to lose half her wages to pay for the ships accommodation and and sustenance.... Blimey, even I remember 25 + years ago when I was a student working hotels how the wages for service staff were pittance compared to similar roles in other types of establishments. It might be a problem but ultimately it soon fades away when it suits people. This is not some simplistic evil corporations vs innocent ordinary people. We are just as much a contributor to these situations. We play at it. We are all talk. We wave the placards or fill in online petitions, we make calls to radio stations or retweet inspirational campaign slogans, but it's all so meaningless. If we want to change the world, we need to start with a good hard look at changing ourselves - bet most won't though.

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Yeah you say it Brother. They should just let the whole company collapse and put all few thousand employees out of jobs instead. That will show them lot in the Ivory Tower! Up the workers! ......right? The only balance that should matter in this instance is the emergency sacrifice of one part to try and protect the much larger remainder with higher number of employees. Watching the news, I do find it ridiculous the amount of ill-informed opinionators, ego filled politicos and now even the local god botherer demanding boycotts, demanding class lawsuits without having a clue about extremely complex business and legal issues. The company itself freely admits it was a drastic and last resort measure which was done to try and slow its financial obliteration. This is not some oversimplistic black and white issue. It certainly wasn't the first company to do these things and it will not be the last. Of course it's upsetting, shocking and unfortunate for all those 800 employees but someone answer me this..... would they have preferred it if the entire few thousand workforce were all redundant but were given the appropriate union approved consultation and notice period? Would that suddenly make it better? Would it ease the pain? I highly doubt it. What exactly is the problem with buying off the penalty of immediately removing 800 if it results in saving the jobs of the remaining couple of thousand. That looks like a sound commercial decision to me. But then again in my job I don't have an option to be all emotive and hysterical when giving decisions. I'm sure the company's PR has been dented for a while, but as I said before, we are all selfish hypocrites deep down and as soon as a company restarts with services that we want to use with timetables that suits our needs, we will be back on board. Joe Public don't really care whether their onboard bartender, or the nice lady dishing out the chips in the self serve cafe really comes from. They don't really care about how much less they are getting paid an hour compared to the British citizen made redundant. As long as the business is running and the fares keep at a price that customers are willing to pay. That's it. People do a lot of talk about ethical business, and of course there are those who volunteer to boycott and pay more but that is still very much a minority. For the masses, we don't actually care that much. What P&O have done is nothing that different to most business operations in the modern world - which we have embraced with open arms. Ask yourself if you really care about welfare of employees when you are buying your £2 t-shirt or cheap electronics from a well-known online retailer. Oh it's all so disgraceful we scream when it happens to our own. Of course there is anger and upset about how this could have happened on our shores to our people. But, that's soon forgotten come summertime when we are flocking to our bargain basement Airlines to Eastern European or developing Far East countries where the beer is dirt cheap, palatial hotel rooms are dirt cheap and the dancing girls are dir..... .... well, you get the point.

Oh come off it. You are as deluded as the failed leader you mourn and worship over. The stupid old fart had 30 plus years in Parliament whilst reaping his nice fat paypacket to 'do something about it' and didn't. What makes you think if he had a smidgen of power he would have succeeded. He showed his failures, weakness and incompetent actions multiple times. He soon showed his true colours once he realised there is no chance of him getting into power, and now he has been kicked out of the party all together. Good riddance. About time the rest of his deluded disciples follow him.

Blah blah blah neoliberalism blah blah blah blah greedy bankers blah blah blah blame Thatcher blah blah blah evil corporations blah blah blah Tory governments.... So. Nothing actually to do with with reductions in bus services just another vague thread to be used as an excuse for you to keep playing that same old broken record. Nothing has "gone wrong" Anna. It's called life. 50 years ago there were still plenty of people destitute and struggling to survive, just the same as there was plenty of rich, elite and privileged. 50 years ago employers and corporations were just as ruthless and profit hungry as they are now. 50 years ago there were just as many critics about working practices, with lots of tales about those downtrodden low paid shop floor grafters battling against those sat in their ivory towers with their well paid cushy white collar desk jobs. Good god you could say exactly the same thing 100 + years ago. Your rose-tinted nostalgic and ridiculously inaccurate view of the past times being this wonderful utopia is almost laughable. Now we were supposed to be talking about buses......

Do the routes have enough passenger numbers to make them viable? Are there other alternative options in the area? Where was the funding coming from for all these routes and what has changed? What are the franchise arrangements or operator contracts? How does the provision compare to similar arrangements in similar rural low demand areas in other parts of the world? For example, I can say from first-hand experience that in many areas of Spain and France buses do not venture off the primary Trunk Roads. If you live in a Tiny Village in the middle of rural Spain you have nothing. For heavens sake stop taking a headline and instantly despairing and making over dramatic statements about the "state of the country". For goodness sake, for the past few years there has been global disruption with more local disruption caused by brexit. It is clear that such impact was going to have a recession on the economy not just here but across the planet. A child of 5 will understand that things do not just stay as they were. Taxpayer monies is a finite resource and somebody has to make difficult decisions of when and what to cut. Propping up some completely under used rural bus route to take Doris and her dog to the market once a week is ripe for such adjustment. Sometimes I wonder why you still living here given you seem to be constantly ashamed or appalled or shocked or outraged or disgusted or distresed about every single government or public authority decision for the past half century.

Its hardly blarney. I think it's pretty well known that even in the physical shops there is significant variance in sizes. I can certainly vouch for the fact that buying a pair of jeans from M&S is a wholly different "size 36" to those sold in say H&M or River Island so can hardly be blamed on Amazon for that. Also, many online retailers don't charge for returns. You simply shove it into a freepost bag and off it goes. I work with plenty in my office who are more than happy to order several items, try them on in the comfort of their own home and chuck back at least half of them as returns no problem. I am not saying that online shopping suits everyone for all purposes but we cannot simply dismiss progress. Yes of course machines are fallible but so are humans. You talk about hacks and data breaches but let's not forget it is also possible for Tellers to make mistakes, miscount or people simply get robbed of their physical possessions or cash. Something, I will add, is far more difficult for the police and insurers to evidence and trace compared to electronic transactions. At least if my credit card got hacked or nicked, they could tell within minutes the moment an unauthorised transaction is done and where exactly it was. Mainstream internet has been around for almost 30 years with significant numbers of the population having mobile phones for at least 20 + years. The current generation of elderly have been around long enough to embrace at least the basic levels of this. The Next Generation will have not ever known any different. Physical presence is not needed for every single thing anymore. The world has moved on and businesses and organisations should not be forced to prop up redundant operations just to appease a few dinosaurs who won't embrace change. There was a time and everyone used to queue up in the British Gas or YEB offices with their bills in hand ready to pay..... there was a time when everyone got their salary in little brown envelopes with a cash or a cheque written out. They would have to look after that and be responsible for either keeping it tucked away safely or queuing up in their bank once a week to pay in their salary...... there was a time when consumer credit was only for the privileged and wealthy. A time when obtaining even the smallest amount of HP involved reams of paperwork, collateral and support from the guarantor, unless you want a visit from the man in the long leather jacket to come and knock out your kneecaps..... Things evolved.

They are. They are stopping the entire company from collapsing by trying to slow a £100+ million pound year-on-year loss. As they have said in their own statement taking this drastic measure is about trying to save jobs of the remaining 2200 staff. What exactly do you think they're supposed to do? The can't force passengers onto their ferries at gunpoint. It's business. So what? The parent company is nothing to do with the massive loss making ferry company subsidiary. They quite rightly took furlough money because the law entitles them to do so - as did many other businesses up and down the land. I'm sure if we wanted to be really judgemental we could argue there were plenty of people who happily took their furlough money who could have quite easily survived on their savings or other assets without taxpayer handouts. Works both ways..... How many more times do I need to say it, it's business. DP are doing exactly what any other major corporation would do. When one division starts to fail you don't keep propping it up and potentially jeopardize the rest of the operations.

It's certainly a shock and very upsetting for those poor workers affected. But the harsh reality is corporations do not make record profits like that without being absolutely ruthless in their business operations the type of which we are seeing with P&O. Fact is, the P&O Ferries subsidy has made a catastrophic loss reaching the hundred millions. Something had to be done and when a single part of the body becomes infected the decision has to be made to chop it off before it it ruins the rest of the system. Surely for those in dire straits affected by this, a job with either the agency or whoever takes over the operations is better than no job at all. Whatever the public perception and PR impact, it is clear that it was simply not sustainable to carry on with such losses. The alternative would be another Flybr or Thomas Cook or Debenhams with the entire company collapsing. I found the boycotting quite interesting, most people travelling on ferry services are focused on simply the first available one suitable for their time schedule. Dover/calais and Hull /Rotterdam particularly doesn't realistically have masses of competing suppliers so for all the hot air and outrage on Twitter I suspect that come holiday season most will forgive, forget and be back to status quo. The public are fickle. Seen it all before with the whole 'Boycott Amazon', 'Boycott Tesco', 'Boycott British Airways' 'Boycott Southern Rail'. It's business. Whether we like to admit it or not we average people in the street are just as ruthless and more than happy to exploit whenever it suits us.

^^^^^ what they said. You are paying your solicitor to do the job. If they want the information they should be the ones going to find it. Tracing leasehold details and finalising figures should be routine for any competent conveyancing lawyer.

Not particularly. For most regular bus users there are multitude of travel passes available for unlimited daily or weekly use where the equivalent single fare will break down much less than that. Even for casual users, First Bus for example have one day tickets for unlimited day travel at £4.70. Breaking that down, I doubt the even the most expensive one-way ticket in Sheffield or South Yorkshire areas will be much more than £2, even if they are, that's up to peoples choice whether they want to pay the rack rate or go for some sort of other option. Just seems a load of Burnham showboating to me. Load of Fanfare for not a lot of results. Look at me... look at me... we are just like London with our capped fares. The man is deluded and seems to think he's Mayor of London or worse a faux Prime Minister making real important decisions.

.... and that's the crux of the problem. Nowhere near enough consumers prepared to pay the real costs of British made British sourced British material goods. We are all total hypocrites. We protest and demand fair day's wage for a fair days work, but at the same time more than happy to enjoy the spoils of an abundance of cheap foreign goods made by someone earning pennies an hour..... .....We show pity to those poorer Eastern European nations with our slacktivism and retweeting of inspirational messages, whilst at the same time quietly bemoaning that our dirt cheap city break, stag do and beer consuming holiday destinations are suspended from our travel plans. We show plenty of sympathy for the current refugee crisis with lots of placard waving outside our local town halls, but at the same time sitting back expecting other countries to deal with the realities of it. As with all these things, yes there may well be a small number us willing to go that extra mile but for the much larger majority, when push comes to shove, the natural selfish instinct in all of us takes over.

Thanks. Now amended. God damn autocorrect.

So in fact, nothing at all to do with the government 'changing what they called' the funding after all then....... Looks to me like the intention was to rip out the traffic flow and turn it into an empty pointless cycle space right from day one, regardless of whatever consultation or feedback the public gave. Perhaps the council should have had the balls to say that right at the start instead of faking covid concerns followed by some faux impression that they actually care what the public feel about their additional proposals. I repeat, wouldn't pay them in brass washers. Councillors we can at least chuck out come election time. It's the layers and layers of inefficienct, incompetent, stubborn and unnecessary clogging up the Town Hall, Howden House and Moorfoot overdue a good shakedown.

Sorry. Not buying that emergency monies allocated for temporary barriers to widen pedestrian walkways was suddenly re-categorised to funding for permanent changes to road infrastructure, removal of traffic flow lanes and concreting in of ugly bike shaped barriers. We all know that the council has been having a hard-on about their precious 'active travel' schemes for a long time. They saw the perfect opportunity to slip it in and took advantage. To try to excuse it as a result of renaming of government funding is nonsense. They knew exactly what they wanted to do and despite the very public criticisms of the moronic proposals, they went to head anyway. For goodness sake, if they are going to commit to this scheme they should have the balls to get on with it and properly finish the job. At least lets remove the now completely redundant bus stops and get it tidied up properly. At the moment it's a complete shambles. Something that Daz and Steve bodged together over a weekend. Honestly wouldn't pay these people in brass washers.