ECCOnoob

51 minutes ago, trastrick said:

 

It's not his health that is the issue. He's ok for 85, stood for the entire debate, and was able to respond to all the questions.

 

It's his competency and his mental state, finally on display for all to see, unedited.

 

That's what's got the Dems in a panic about replacing him.

We are talking about Trump here right???

You seriously want to bring up the words "competency' and "mental state".  Biden  might be a bit doddery but yours is beyond deranged. 

It's a sad state of affairs generally that a country as big and powerful as the USA can drag up these two as the best possible candidates for their leader. But given the limited choice, the one I'd be voting for is certainly not D'ump. 

2 minutes ago, altus said:

 

The article I quoted is from today. It references an older article from 3 years ago.

 

You might want to look up the deferred prosecution agreement Boing entered into to avoid prosecution 3 years ago that the DoJ say they have violated. That's why the article is titled "Boeing should face criminal charges, say US prosecutors – reports".

 

My mistake. Wrong link. 

1 hour ago, altus said:

Boeing should face criminal charges, say US prosecutors

 

I think they need to throw the CEO and a few other C level executives in jail and tell the company's other senior managers they'll be joining them if they don't start putting safety over profit.

What exactly is the recent position considering the article you quote is 3 years old. 

What criminal charges have actually been brought, proven and determined in court of law in order to bring jail sentences to the CEO and all the c-level executives as you state they deserve?? 

12 minutes ago, YorkieontheTyne said:

Hold you hard there ECCOnoob. I’m proud of having been bred and born in Sheffield, but an award that’s been “sponsored” by some kind of commercial outfit for nowt more than profit and publicity ain’t worth the pound notes it’s printed on.

Most awards are sponsored by some form of commercial outfit. That's generally how they work. They've always been nothing more than a big PR exercise or marketing drive. It's business. 

Doesn't detract from the fact that getting one or even getting some recognition of being shortlisted for one all helps boost the city profile, gets the name out there, and gets up that publicity, which let's be frank, if it went to a different city, people would be whining about for missing out. 

This place can't seem to win no matter what it does.  

4 hours ago, Baron99 said:

One of the problems that property developers & SCC who allow them to turn office blocks into 'luxury apartments' don't think about? 

 

The realities of moving & living in a former office block.  How do you get the removal van in & out?  Where are the bins going to be left out?

Exactly the same way they manage to cope in city centre developments up and down the land.

Just how exactly do you think all those shops and offices and venues got their deliveries and access and refuse collection for decades previous?  

You make it sound as if these developments are all thrown together on the back of a cig packet. Of course someone's "thought about it". It's even part of the planning conditions when they build the things. 

It's something that prospective renters and purchasers of such properties are going to know about full well. Nobody is that naive to think that a city centre apartment will enable them to freely drive in/out and park up right outside their front door whenever they want.  Large numbers of them won't even own cars anyway.

Thankfully, most reasonable people out there actually have an inkling of how it works. City Living is not some new concept.  

33 minutes ago, horribleblob said:

Interesting use of "crawling". My recollection is of miners marching back to work, holding banners aloft.

They may well have been but they were hardly victorious with something to be proud of.

Their illegal, unballoted and unsupported strike, heavily encouraged by an increasingly egotistical militant union leader, turned to  nothing more than an ugly, oppressive and violent mess, resulting in decades long of bitterness and hurt......and all for what?   

They just ended up going back to work with no difference.  Their dinosaur and  uncompetitive industry continued to die on it's behind and those changes that they riled against happened anyway. 

Well done them. 

Just a point of clarity, is there anything that shows it was a delivery rider that caused this accident. 

E-Bikes are ridden by other people

1 hour ago, Anna B said:

It's still very raw with some of them, as any miscarriage of justice will remain. Of course they want the record put straight, it's not all about a payout. 

Yeah right. 

For lots of them, they really wouldn't want the REAL truth to come out because seeing  through all this faux 'woe is me' 'victim' mentality of the miners, plenty of them were not sweet and innocent either.

Just let's not forget here this was a pure ego trip for Scargill.  It was all done illegally, without ballot, losing the support of the fellow unions and even  some other coal mining sub regions.  He well and truly got his ass kicked before they all went crawling back to work in 85.  

Yes, there was some some officers who clearly did wrong and cross the line and those miners affected rightfully received their compensatory award after the IPCC investigated. But let not gloss over the heavy handed disgraceful behaviour of some of miners as well. The tensions, the violence, the threats against their fellow brothers, The 40 plus years of continuing feuding and brooding, even by some second generation people on who weren't even part of it in the first place.

Enough with this one sided bull. The whole thing for BOTH sides with a dark and ghastly point in our history with neither having any right to declare some moral high ground. 

If it's still "very raw" for the families half a lifetime on, it says far more about them.

11 hours ago, Baron99 said:

And yet another Boeing incident as the plane drops towards the ocean

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-06-17/investigation-launched-after-boeing-737-max-8-drops-within-400ft-of-ocean

 

"And which particular seat would you like to sit in sir?" 

 

"I'll take one on an Airbus!" 

 

 

Pretty poor from ITV 'journalists' there. The link to Boeing is pretty tenuous as both incidents clearly describe pilot error - with one of them accidentally leaning on the controls and in the other incident, the pilot misunderstood a command. 

I appreciate Boeing is bogeyman number one at the moment with their technical failures, but this particular circumstances could have happened with an Airbus or Fokker or Embraer plane just as easy,  because it was a fleshy part behind the controls that caused the problem. 

Seems a bit of unnecessary kicking to me by trying to desperately link it up with the ongoing boeing saga.  What they're going to do next, blame a steward running out of snacks on Boeing too. 

10 hours ago, Anna B said:

Today is the 40 year anniversary of the Battle of Orgreave, arguably the turning point in the Miners' Strike, when the Thatcher government sent the Police in on horseback to break up a peaceful demonstration, which turned into carnage. 

 

I'm aware there are several debatable points in that sentence, so what do you think now, with the benefit of hindsight? Have we (and Sheffield) moved on, or have we moved backwards?

Were you there?

Did it change your opinions?

 

It certainly changed mine. I think that was the time I became aware that we were being spun a line, and all was not as it was being reported in the media. I became interested in politics for the first time and have been ever since.

Some people never recovered. It split familes with a rift that still hasn't healed even to this day. 

Yes, it certainly is debatable and I'm not  buying into this image of sweet and innocent miners either. 

The bully boy militant unions were just as bad if not worse than the government.  

Well it's about time to get on with "recovering" isn't it. One my biggest bugbears is two plus generations on still banging about damage by Thatcher and never recovering and being held back as some pathetic desperate excuse for their own clear failures. They need to take a long hard look at themselves.  

Vast amounts of people have moved on. Large amounts of these ex pit villages are entire new communities, totally transformed and dragged, kicking and screaming into the modern world. Other people have coped with the dramatic changing shift.  What's their excuse. 

It's like this whole recent development and demand for a public enquiry. Personally I think it just a load of electioneering designed to appease certain types.  Another multi-million pounds of taxpayer money on endless hearings, lawyers, witnesses, experts, consultants, clerical which is going to do nothing more than just create polarisation, upset and huge amounts of  speculation, I'll informed comment and hysterical and exaggerated press leading to sod all satisfactory conclusion for either side.  

We all know that not every police officer was diligently doing their duty to protect and serve exactly by the book....  We all know that not every miner was some hard-working salt of the earth innocent party being persecuted against by the big bad state. Quite a lot of them were bolshy, arrogant dinosaurs who refuse to accept change and their clearly dying industry as the world evolved into a global marketplace. We all know there were plenty of others thrown into the mix who were just looking for a good fight or to be the great disruptors or just have any opportunitiy to have a pop at the government. 

The whole thing was a dark sorry mess for all involved.  A blot on our history which of course can't be forgotten but at the same time shouldn't be endlessly and tediously brought up as if there is a clear moral high ground from one particular side. There isn't.

7 minutes ago, *_ash_* said:

Whilst I totally agree with your post and reasoning, there is definitely a place for police presence, especially in town. 

 

It's full of beggars, drunks, druggies, petty thieves and gives the place an uncomfortable feel. I heard people say they don't go to town for these reasons, so it's bad for the economy. I know shopping has changed since the days of the internet, but town that I saw was mostly boarded up and looked like an American film. 

 

I saw it with my own eyes when I came back to England in March for a couple of weeks. Totally different feel to Asian cities (namely China and Korea) where you can walk about completely freely alone at night (including women) without even skipping a heartbeat - maybe I've just got used to it. The visible police presence in China especially big cities is unbelievable. There's almost always one in sight.

 

I compared this area to the Moor and Fargate at night.https://youtu.be/asTrGD2MB4c?feature=shared&t=189and this https://youtu.be/BgfJaL4NLp4?feature=shared&t=457

 

 

 

Maybe you should have compared it to the places where the bars and restaurants  and evening venues are located in Sheffield instead.  How about Division Street, Leopold Square, West Street, Millennium Square, Tudor Square, Norfolk Street.... 

How about the small matter that population in Beijing? Is 35 times larger than in Sheffield. No wonder it looks slightly busier. 

Come on - if you're going to do some comparisons at least try and make them realistic. 

Yes I will admit. There's more police officers in China, but it's a police state. That's hardly something to be celebrated given their extremely dubious civil and human rights record. 

Yes of course. We have some poverty and beggars and anti-social behaviour in our cities but I'm not buying into this whole people being fearful of walking around town and portrayal like it's some desolate wasteland.  In my experience most of those inaccurate and exaggerated comments are generally from stubborn rose tinted people who don't like change and barely step foot in the place from one year to the next.  The basic fact remains is the majority of people do feel perfectly safe walking around the city in the evenings. Most people do it on a regular basis. People live there. People work there. 

Yes course there are some levels of crime but to try and portray it as some desolate wasteland where the entire country is failing compared to elsewhere is just nonsense.  

1 hour ago, gaz 786 said:

Get bobbies back on beat with a truncheon and wanna be gangsters will soon realise who the law is good old fashioned coppering society has gone mad these days it all started when they stopped cane at school 

Oh come off it. People always bring out this trope about bobbies on the beat and the "good old days". 

The world has drastically moved on. It's not Trumpton or Dixon of Dock Green anymore.  

The ONS records the biggest category of crime last year was.....Fraud.  Most likely type of crime to be a victim of.... Fraud.  Computer misuse offences were also up 33%. 

Those sorts of crimes don't get solved by PC plod wandering around on the streets. Neither do terror plots get foiled.  Neither is a truncheon going to do much good in tackling the rise in firearms offences or breaking up human traffic organisations or child sex rings or multi million pounds drugs operations.  

Criminals have become much more sophisticated, the technology has massively evolved and the police have had to evolve their own operations with it.

It's not just about 'bobbies on the beat'. That's nothing more than a load of oversimplistic meaningless theatre to give the public some faux assurance and a lot of easy soundbites political gesturing from attention seeking MPs. 

Vast amounts of the real crime is far bigger, far more sophisticated and happening  buried underground, behind closed doors and out there hidden in the vast cyberspace of the dark web.  

2 hours ago, Allen said:

Drove into Morrisons garage in Risca, South Wales today to find the on site shop closed and notices on every pump saying “pay at pump only “.

Not being tecky savvy I drove out again and found a local garage operating normally. 
And fond it was 2 pence a litre cheaper.

Result!

If you haven't got the technical capabilities of putting your card in slot and pushing a couple of buttons, you shouldn't be operating a car.

Good grief.  Pay at pump is barely more than a glorified card machine, not a nuclear control centre. 

13 minutes ago, Andy_terrier said:

As I said I get subsidised parking, I was just using the basic tariff as an example.  I also said I don't drive into the office every day and make use of public transport at least 1 of those days I do go in.  Not sure why the hoo har really.  I am sure there are cheaper ways for people who DO NOT get subsidised parking and need to stay all day but a lot of the privately-run multi stories are pretty expensive.

 

When I worked at the city end of the Wicker I used to park at the (what was) the Hilton which is very reasonable.  that doesn't work for me now.

 

Compared to what though?  As general point parking right in the heart of town in a multi story on premium land in the is going to come with a price. Just like it is in cities up and down the land.  However, as has been pointed out, comparatively those so-called expensive rates in Sheffield are nothing compared to other major cities so it could be argued our multi-stories are cheap.  

Yes, rack rates might be look expensive but as was pointed out to you, most people using them regular will not pay rack rates. Plenty of other people using them won't be paying 'all day' either so the so called expense is all relative. 

It's not as if there are not other cheaper options available for those who are prepared to walk a bit further or go in after peak hours or even using park and ride.

I don't think anyone is creating a hoo-har, just pointing out that your simplistic comparison of using a 24-hour rack rate is hardly a realistic sample to what most drivers will be using or paying.  

2 hours ago, Andy_terrier said:

I did say all day. For me to park in that car park for work its going to cost me £22.50 if it wasn't for the subsidised parking I get from my work.  That seems pretty hefty.  I also didn't say that was indicative of all parking in town just that City Centre parking all day is expensive in general terms.

 

An hour or 2 shopping then that's fine.  Pay more trying to park at the hospitals...

People parking all day on a regular basis for work are not paying £22.50.  

Firstly, 'all day' for work does not equal 24 hours.  Secondly, the vast majority of people parking like that will have season tickets or deals or discounts based on the time they enter the car park and frequency. 

How many people are seriously paying rack rate for daily charges on a regular basis.

Just the same as train tickets or travel passes. People doing the journey several times a week are certainly not going to be paying the standard daily rate. 

45 minutes ago, cuttsie said:

now now casting aspersions is not  the way intelligent folk behave Nooby , be civil , smile knob head .

No, intelligent folk state facts which is what I'm doing.

You are the one who seemingly can't get into their head, the basic concept that not everywhere can or wants to be low-cost low-quality wetherspoons nor that there is legitimate reasons why prices fluctuate between places selling the same or similar product.

1 hour ago, cuttsie said:

£2-30p in Wethers same stuff as six quid up road , Bar staff , rent and rates still need paying just the same as nooby is on about .   Two pubs in same area charging £3 - 20 for Smiths ,they also pay same rates and bar staff so put that in Nooby-s pipe and smoke it 

But do they have the same purchasing powers.  Do they have access to the same discount.  Is the supply chain the same 

Are they paying the same amount of lease for their premises.. Do they have the same overheads. 

A packet of corn flakes is a packet of corn flakes, but there's a reason why your little corner charges more price than your big supermarket.

Even your precious 'Spoons have different charges in different locations.

Why do you think that is big head? 

10 minutes ago, cuttsie said:

Look !!!!! It is  OK for people on here to be going about some proper Sheffielders being as tight as a ducks arse ,"How much love " and all that malarky , But some of our citizens are not minted like the up your own arse brigade ,    Instance  !!!!!!it was our lasses birthday last week so I thought lets go out for dinner ,  We visited a pub in Burntcross ,, Two meals , not fancy just good pub grub , Four or five drinks inc three pints of beer at nearly six quid a pint , two glasses of red wine a couple of sweets to finish of , The bill ,!!!!!! just under a hundred quid , I mean  , for a pub meal ,  So lets get real we were lucky as we only ever go on special occasions and can put a few quid aside for this but!!!!!I know many who can not afford to even go in this pub for a pint with their mates as they are on low wages so the money does not run to it .

My birthday soon . Wetherspoons here we come .

Out of sheer curiosity, just how much would you think would be a fair rate for the Landlords to charge for two meals, two desserts, and five drinks to be served to you in a venue that needs to pay their rent and rates and pay for the electricity and the heating...   and pay for those ingredients and all the equipment and furnishings... and the staff to cook your food and to serve it to you the table and to clear away the plates and to wash up the dishes and to pour your drinks at the bar and to clean the bogs.... Oh and also try and make some smidgen of  profit out of it.

Not every venue has the might of some corporation behind it. They can't always fall back on their corporate master's aggressive buying power advantage, centralised operations and loss leaders. They've got to earn a living as well.

18 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

I THOUGHT THAT WHEN YOU START A POST OFF THE AS IT WAS THE SUBJECT THE FIRST LETTER OF EACH WORD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A CAPITAL LETTER.   A BIT LIKE A HEADLINE IN A NEWSPAPER. 

 

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TAUGHT IN MY ENGLISH LESSONS ON SUCH MATTERS. 

 

IF I'VE OFFENDED YOU IN ANY WAY

Most headlines in newspapers are not all caps either unless they are tabloid fodder or the Daily Mail screaming for attention and shock value. 

Now can we please stop shouting. Some of us are getting tinnitus here.

3 hours ago, hauxwell said:

I’m off to do a free shop at Asda today.  Mr Farage said you can’t get prosecuted for nicking less than £200 worth of goods. Is this a joke?  No wonder food prices are going up. This is what he said last night on the BBC
 

You can go out and nick up to 200 quid’s worth without being prosecuted,” he said. “We are seeing a decline, a societal decline of law and order in this country and, frankly, government and the police forces are being too scared of what needs to be done.”

 

 

I am sure he did say that but like most things that comes out of the mouth of that frog face chump, he goes for the pithy attention seeking soundbites rather than the practical reality of what he is talking about. 

Of course you could still get prosecuted. Theft is theft. It is a question of whether there are sufficient resourcing, value, commerciality and merit to investigating, forming a case and prosecuting which are all things that have to be considered in these days of dwindling police resources, corporate reputation and extremely fickle public opinion.  

After all, would people like police prioritise getting justice for some sweet old lady  getting robbed on the street and having her pension nicked or trying to recover some asset for the big corporate billion pound  conglomerate.

Then factor in, is it worth the time and effort for Tesco etc to use its resources in trying to track down, provide sufficient evidence and go through the whole prosecution process for some low value theft which they will have insurance against and already built into to their budgeting model. There is already a technical term for it used in the retail industry known as shrinkage which includes everything from theft to mis-totalled sales to damaged goods.  

Then we have the circumstances of the thief themselves. What is their story.  Stealing to fund someone drug habit?  but then again, according to certain newspapers they are doing it out of sheer necessity because they are starving and need to feed their families..... So who is a real victim in the fickle emotive reactionary public's eyes? The starving shop lifter doing it out of alleged desperate need or a faceless corporation crying about losing some profit mark up.  

Any moron can go on a podium and spout bold claims. Actual practical delivery is a different league. 

1 hour ago, gamezone07 said:

As above, preferably near Fargate, but anywhere really, tx

Pennine 5 £1.50 per hour

Rockingham Street / Calver Street Car Parks  £1.55 per hour 

Atkinsons Car Park  £1.80 per hour

Blonk Street £1.95 per hour 

*short walk away  - Solly Street car park  £2.50 all day (sat/sun)  

Park and ride from Nunnery Square 

1 hour ago, BigAl1 said:

define  cheap and also how long for - Sheffield council  does not want you to bring your car into the center and even when someone tells your where you can find "cheap" parking good luck in being able to drive to it

Strange how tens of thousands of people every day manage perfectly well using those things called roads. 

1 hour ago, bassett one said:

well i think 2-6 hundred a day is not cheap , but it seems it is , so thats that, but we need to update the same old events at least bring in different rides, the same old does not work changes to even 20 percent of it would be good for say summer/winter

 

 

 

 

....you keep saying that. But are the crowds massively dwindling each year?  

Also given that most of these events are run by private companies the types of rides and attractions that they offer are surely down to them.  To be honest, I've been to quite a few 'by the sea' or 'summer festival' or ''Christmas Market' things and with exceptions to size and decor most of the time I have seen exactly the same stuff in every city.  

What would you like to see instead?