PeteMorris Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 I was fascinated to see this video. It's a pity it ends somewhat abruptly, but disregarding wear and tear on bearings and such, this seems to me to have lots of potential. Doesn't burn any fuel, no emissions! Boy does that thing whiz! Especially when he takes 2 of the magnets out of the equation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteMorris Posted October 2, 2012 Author Share Posted October 2, 2012 This machine is also fascinating (towards the end of the video) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Well, no. You can't discount sources of energy loss from the system. Perpetual means just that, not for 5 minutes because energy leaks away as heat in the bearings. Doesn't burn any fuel, doesn't produce any emissions, it requires energy from someone pushing it to start (so it burns fuel in the form of food used to move your arm or finger and produces waste in the same way). It's no more impressive than a highly efficient bearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteMorris Posted October 2, 2012 Author Share Posted October 2, 2012 Well, no. You can't discount sources of energy loss from the system. Perpetual means just that, not for 5 minutes because energy leaks away as heat in the bearings. Doesn't burn any fuel, doesn't produce any emissions, it requires energy from someone pushing it to start (so it burns fuel in the form of food used to move your arm or finger and produces waste in the same way). It's no more impressive than a highly efficient bearing. Requires energy to start it!???...By Pushing it!...Burns fuel in the form of food?...Oh please.!!! So your definition is that nothing (no energy from anywhere) is required in order to achieve perpetual motion (yes I know it's been said that it's impossible to achieve). So what if it leaks energy in the form of heat? It's producing much more than that in rotational energy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagel Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 I was fascinated to see this video. It's a pity it ends somewhat abruptly, but disregarding wear and tear on bearings and such, this seems to me to have lots of potential. Doesn't burn any fuel, no emissions! Boy does that thing whiz! Especially when he takes 2 of the magnets out of the equation! How does it produce more energy than it uses? A perpetual motion machine is an impossibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Yes, pushing it is energy, and you have to consume energy to push something. Well, no, perpetual motion doesn't look at what starts the motion, I was just commenting on that facet since you claimed it was energy free. What perpetual motion does require is zero energy leakage. Which this doesn't demonstrate. It's producing nothing, it's just spinning, what makes you think that it is producing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 I've got this playing while reading this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medusa Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 A 5 minute clip proves nothing. I'll start considering perpetual motion a possibility when I receive verified information that the machine can keep going without any slowing down and without being touched for a few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteMorris Posted October 2, 2012 Author Share Posted October 2, 2012 Yes, pushing it is energy, and you have to consume energy to push something. Well, no, perpetual motion doesn't look at what starts the motion, I was just commenting on that facet since you claimed it was energy free. What perpetual motion does require is zero energy leakage. Which this doesn't demonstrate. It's producing nothing, it's just spinning, what makes you think that it is producing something? Sorry I'm no scientist, but to me, if it's spinning (once started, and a good healthy meal consumed ) it's surely producing rotational energy, which presumably could be used for something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarchon Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 A perpetual motion machine is impossible as any such device would violate either the first or second law of thermodynamics. There is no such thing as a free lunch in this universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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