EU Referendum - How will you vote?

I dont think that most people are against immigration of skilled workers.

 

But i wanted that 'How to get a Council House' this week and it just made me so angry.

 

A Romanian family were refused housing so they went home and got their 5 kids so we were legally obligated to house them with a new 4 bedroom house.

 

Did anyone else watch it?

 

I definitely don't watch these C4/C5 programmes for my sanity

 

The BBC showed a good programme the other day called Last whites of the East end which was quite good.

Ash I have read your posts over the last month and if I had to bet I would have had you as remain. I cannot believe that I am sat here agreeing with you, seems wrong somehow.

That said I wholeheartedly agree with what you have said in this subject. This tiny island is full, our services are in crisis and the best that Cameron can do is spout financial fear stories for every single group in society. Benefits will be cut, holidays will be more expensive and now he is saying pensions may well be hit. There is not a single section that will not suffer.

Yet his mate has now come out as brexiter and says Cameron would be too if he was not pm, obviously paid off with a future EU Job. Ash keep up the good work.

I dont think that most people are against immigration of skilled workers.

 

 

I am when it causes a brain drain and further suffering in the country they leave. Some countries need doctors far more than we need them so its immoral to entice them here by offering them higher pay.

I am when it causes a brain drain and further suffering in the country they leave. Some countries need doctors far more than we need them so its immoral to entice them here by offering them higher pay.

 

Have the governments of India etc ever complained?

I share your concern, but they might find that there are benefits which make it work out for them. Can't think what, but it's worth checking.

Ash I have read your posts over the last month and if I had to bet I would have had you as remain. I cannot believe that I am sat here agreeing with you, seems wrong somehow.

That said I wholeheartedly agree with what you have said in this subject. <snip>

 

You'd definitely had lost that bet!

 

<snip>s are in crisis and the best that Cameron can do is spout financial fear stories for every single group in society. Benefits will be cut, holidays will be more expensive and now he is saying pensions may well be hit. There is not a single section that will not suffer.

Yet his mate has now come out as brexiter and says Cameron would be too if he was not pm, obviously paid off with a future EU Job. Ash keep up the good work.

 

I've heard this 'holidays abroad will be more expensive' a few times.

 

Well I thought, so what? Perhaps it will encourage more people to holiday at home with a fairer competition! Perhaps some 'resorts' could do with some money thrown into them, but all kids need for a good holiday is the beach and a bucket and spade! Happy as pig in **** they are

 

More jobs here, and Ryan Air boss can sod off (who was on QT saying 'well put prices up if you vote out') - who is he looking out for if not himself?

You are correct about the remain lobby having nothing positive to say about remaining but the leavers have spoke about mass immigration. Not that they are saying anything I disagree with. I thought it was a brilliant thing joining the EU and I voted for it wholeheartedly in the 70s, but now it's got too big and it doesn't know where to stop and if it goes on our island will be drowned under the weight of open borders causing the breakdown of the NHS and the education system with it.

 

Cheers spilldig you've helped me in my thinking at least, now leaning to leaving I can remember the euphria in the 70's not what we seemed is it; and yes I forgot they'd spoken abut immigration which does rankle with me.

I am when it causes a brain drain and further suffering in the country they leave. Some countries need doctors far more than we need them so its immoral to entice them here by offering them higher pay.

Since preventing foreign medical practitioners from coming to the UK "for the good of their own country" would reduce the pool of qualified doctors in the UK and therefore drive doctors' pay up as a straightforward consequence of supply and demand, I look forward to reading about your negotiations to reduce doctor pay levels in the UK without causing a brain drain from the UK itself.

 

I suggest you take a leaf out of Health Minister Hunt's book

You are correct about the remain lobby having nothing positive to say about remaining

I take it that you haven't yet seen the Remain leaflet, which is mostly about the positives?

what I will say is that the ones who want us to stay have said nothing positive about staying, but have said plenty of negatives if we leave. Meanwhile the leavers have not really said anything to grab my attention.

I take it that you haven't yet seen the Remain leaflet, which is mostly about the positives? ()

 

Most of the contribution by Remainers in this thread at least, is about debunking the Brexiters' (repeated) untruths and biased or unfounded claims. Unsurprisingly that will come across as negative, since it consists mostly of evidence-based counter-arguments to vapourware wishful thinking.

 

But it's not the same "negative" as the alarmist rethoric spouted by the Remain campaign in mass media, which is simply a noise-balancing exercise against the alarmist rethoric spouted by the Brexit campaign (where the average voter is concerned, IMHO both sides cancel each other out...hopefully, and I have full faith in the intelligence and common sense of the said average voter).

 

Look into issues of concern yourself, be critical of and objective about the materials you come across, and come to your own conclusions: regardless of which side that exercise pushes you on, just vote according to your informed beliefs, don't let others do your thinking for you.

Edited May 26, 2016 by L00b

There's benefits to remain.

I still have to vote out due to the migration problem. And I think we can do more with trade. Leaving is better for small businesses

 

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You'd definitely had lost that bet!

 

 

 

I've heard this 'holidays abroad will be more expensive' a few times.

 

Well I thought, so what? Perhaps it will encourage more people to holiday at home with a fairer competition! Perhaps some 'resorts' could do with some money thrown into them, but all kids need for a good holiday is the beach and a bucket and spade! Happy as pig in **** they are

 

More jobs here, and Ryan Air boss can sod off (who was on QT saying 'well put prices up if you vote out') - who is he looking out for if not himself?

 

The cheap flights and mobile charges is so lame argument. If that's all people care about at the price of sovereignty they should get a life.

Have the governments of India etc ever complained?

I share your concern, but they might find that there are benefits which make it work out for them. Can't think what, but it's worth checking.

 

It looks like it, theres plenty to read here.

 

NEW DELHI: India has finally decided to cut down on brain drain that is crippling its medical sector.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Govt-plans-bonds-to-stop-doctors-brain-drain/articleshow/12843215.cms

 

MUMBAI: The Union health ministry has clamped down on doctors who wish to settle abroad after pursuing higher studies there, especially in the US. Grappling with a severe shortage of doctors in India, it will no longer issue no-objection certificates to doctors who want to settle abroad permanently.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Govt-makes-it-hard-for-doctors-to-stay-abroad-after-higher-studies/articleshow/51952164.cms

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=india+suffer+brain+drain&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=eeZGV5agLMnW8geSzYaIBA#q=india+government+doctors+brain+drain

 

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Since preventing foreign medical practitioners from coming to the UK "for the good of their own country" would reduce the pool of qualified doctors in the UK and therefore drive doctors' pay up as a straightforward consequence of supply and demand, I look forward to reading about your negotiations to reduce doctor pay levels in the UK without causing a brain drain from the UK itself.

 

 

And you think that's a good moral case for poaching doctors from poorer countries.

Edited May 26, 2016 by sutty27

Since preventing foreign medical practitioners from coming to the UK "for the good of their own country" would reduce the pool of qualified doctors in the UK and therefore drive doctors' pay up as a straightforward consequence of supply and demand, I look forward to reading about your negotiations to reduce doctor pay levels in the UK without causing a brain drain from the UK itself.

 

 

Perhaps it would be better to seek to train more doctors ourselves so that the flow of physicians goes in both directions.