French Presidential Election

Putins Puppet loses.

Bankers, EU bureaucrats Puppet wins, people loose, whats new

At least that was a choice. Unlike June 8th here.

 

And on the issue of morals and fascism, I really don't think British politicians have any lessons to give. You've got the exact same lot here, and the amoral banker types have been in unfettered charge since 2015.

 

Macron's 577 candidate MPs (GE in a few weeks, his party En Marche is not right/left aligned) are mostly civvies/newbies. Few if any career politicians and ship-jumping old pros.

I didnt vote for the government weve got either so i know that we suffer with the same lot.Thats why i said welcome to our world.My view on politics sadly doesnt have a party to vote for in this country.I am more of a centre left authoritarian,i am certainly not a liberal and i am not a big fan of capitalism at the moment but not socialism either.I am a potential voter stuck in the wilderness of politics with nobody to vote for.I would pick you up on the banker types only being post 2015 it has been like that since the seventies in this country.

Bankers, EU bureaucrats Puppet wins, people loose, whats new

That's democracy in action,just like a Brexit referendum.Seems like some people only like democracy when the result goes their way.

That's democracy in action,just like a Brexit referendum.Seems like some people only like democracy when the result goes their way.

to be honist i have very little views on the french election other that this may make it harder for the UK, I would have thought most wanting the best for their Country would think so.

to be honist i have very little views on the french election other that this may make it harder for the UK, I would have thought most wanting the best for their Country would think so.

So why would a victory for Le Pen made Brexit easier?

So why would a victory for Le Pen made Brexit easier?

Because she also wanted Brexit (or should that be Frexit) for France and might have strengthened Britain's case - as well as giving the EU something else to worry about....

A far better idea would have been to take our Brexit vote under advisement, and liaise with the other dissenting EU members over whether or not to leave as a bloc.

IMO, it is only the rabid loons that really want to leave: the more sensible leave voters have just given up on trying to make it work properly. If several countries were threatening to leave, that should force them to get their act together.

Yes,it's strange how ex banker Nigel Farage isn't a bankers puppet,but a man of the people.

Anyway,victory for the EU,and long may it continue.

I've said this, when we are left cheering on an ex-banker who is about to start a campaign of austerity even more cutting that what the Tories are doing SOLELY because he is pro-EU then we've lost our way. Great that Le Pen didn't win with her special brand of 'blame anyone but me' politics but given it was effectively a choice between her and ANYONE ELSE AT ALL it's really not a massive victory in anyway.

I've said this, when we are left cheering on an ex-banker who is about to start a campaign of austerity even more cutting that what the Tories are doing SOLELY because he is pro-EU then we've lost our way. Great that Le Pen didn't win with her special brand of 'blame anyone but me' politics but given it was effectively a choice between her and ANYONE ELSE AT ALL it's really not a massive victory in anyway.

Wrong end of the stick, kate.

I think that at a substantial portion of the vote for Macron (I distinguish that from the vote against LePen) is actually very similar to the earlier votes for Brexit and Trump, ideologically speaking: it's a vote for change from the old left/right politics and the clientelism of same.

The clear difference, of course, is that Macron is pushing that change with a plan

IMHO the litmus test will be at the Legislatives shortly, wherein we'll see how Macron's ragtag of (for the vast majority-) political newbies under his En Marche banner, fare against the candidates of established parties, regulars or parachuted.

If his party does well there, then I'd say his tabula rasa approach to mainstream politics is working well, and bedding in, with the electorate.

He needs a mandate to go knock at No.10 with the Le Touquet agreements and a large pair of scissors in his satchel

Speaking of ex-bankers...

Between 1977 and 1983 May worked at the Bank of England, and from 1985 to 1997 as a financial consultant and senior advisor in International Affairs at the Association for Payment Clearing Services.[18]

Wrong end of the stick, kate.

 

I think that at a substantial portion of the vote for Macron (I distinguish that from the vote against LePen) is actually very similar to the earlier votes for Brexit and Trump, ideologically speaking: it's a vote for change from the old left/right politics and the clientelism of same.

 

The clear difference, of course, is that Macron is pushing that change with a plan

 

IMHO the litmus test will be at the Legislatives shortly, wherein we'll see how Macron's ragtag of (for the vast majority-) political newbies under his En Marche banner, fare against the candidates of established parties, regulars or parachuted.

 

If his party does well there, then I'd say his tabula rasa approach to mainstream politics is working well, and bedding in, with the electorate.

 

He needs a mandate to go knock at No.10 with the Le Touquet agreements and a large pair of scissors in his satchel

 

Speaking of ex-bankers...

By 'us' I meant many of the lefties who are cheering as if he's the messiah. He's pretty close in policies to the Tories barring the EU of course, a kinda LD/Tory coalition in one man, with no MPs (yet), I just don't get the hype. He defeated an and an out racist with direct links to the old school French National Front and all that baggage and he didn't even defeat her 2:1. It how many votes Le Pen actually got that should be the worry, not that she didn't get over the line.

As with all things, we shall see.