dj4321gsr Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Yep, real electro for me is 'Planet Rock' and that early 80s era. Another bastardised term within music...just in the same way people might think of Fiddy when you say your into hip hop/ God forbid! Although Fiddy may not be lyrically or culturally blessed as the likes of KRS 1, TC Quest, Talib Q etc, does not mean to say he is not hip hop. His style is commercially accessable and he is good at marketing. In fairness if you have ever checked out his lp's or shows or his dj Whoo Kid, you would realise he is one of the top turntablist mix tape champions in the US. & his sound sometimes has underground production, as like Eminem. Em is a talented rapper that is also tainted with the pop brush for being successful, which is a wrong way of looking at it. So the word bastardised or sell out is wrong. I state the word to popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbradley Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Real electro is closer to hip hop than house. It annoys me all these people going around saying they are into electro, when in fact they mean electro house which is as far away from hip hop as you can get really. I mean hip hop & electro had a gritty, underground, DIY ethos - whereas this new electro house sound is just the new mainstream "chart house" (formerly funky house) and the nights generally seem to be frequented by the types with more concern for their haircuts and expensive clothing than the actual music. Having said that electro house as a genre started out quite promising, with labels such as Get Physical (MANDY & Booka Shade amongst others) producing some amazing and original tracks. However it quickly got hijacked by the cheese mongers and became something different altogether. Now I get the feeling most of the original "electro house" producers don't really associate themselves with the genre, more with tech house, deep house and minimal - and who can really blame them? I suppose it's similar to what happened with trance - in the early nineties it was a new, innovative, underground genre - but during the mid nineties became the over-commercialised, formalic nonsense that people associate trance with now. Excellent post! Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbradley Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Yep, real electro for me is 'Planet Rock' and that early 80s era. Another bastardised term within music...just in the same way people might think of Fiddy when you say your into hip hop/ God forbid! all together now...'look-in for the per-fect beat...!' good show t'other night del boy, got it recorded using this 'screamer radio' util on my comp:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelMonte Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Although Fiddy may not be lyrically or culturally blessed as the likes of KRS 1, TC Quest, Talib Q etc, does not mean to say he is not hip hop. His style is commercially accessable and he is good at marketing. In fairness if you have ever checked out his lp's or shows or his dj Whoo Kid, you would realise he is one of the top turntablist mix tape champions in the US. & his sound sometimes has underground production, as like Eminem. Em is a talented rapper that is also tainted with the pop brush for being successful, which is a wrong way of looking at it. So the word bastardised or sell out is wrong. I state the word to popular. For me hip hop is about the elements and the whole culture that surrounds the music (breaking, graf etc) so no, 50 cent to me is a pop rap artist not hip hop.What annoys me is that most people think of the likes of 50cent when the words 'hip hop' are mentioned when I think he's a negative role model and v weak musically. I wish the true pioneers and the people who have pushed the genre forward such as the names you mentioned were given such credit and exposure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelMonte Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 all together now...'look-in for the per-fect beat...!' good show t'other night del boy, got it recorded using this 'screamer radio' util on my comp:) Cheers fella! will rock some cosyne beats next time...looking forward to the new joints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinnacle Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Electro to me was the electro tapes (remember them?) back in the late eighties, MC CraigG, Fatboys, Mantronik etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj4321gsr Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 For me hip hop is about the elements and the whole culture that surrounds the music (breaking, graf etc) so no, 50 cent to me is a pop rap artist not hip hop.What annoys me is that most people think of the likes of 50cent when the words 'hip hop' are mentioned when I think he's a negative role model and v weak musically. I wish the true pioneers and the people who have pushed the genre forward such as the names you mentioned were given such credit and exposure. Firstly hip hop is about the elements and whole cuture that surrounds the music. You forgot a major element there and that is it is music from the ghetto or streets. Also it is a fundamental format of entertainment from the ghetto. Fiddy raps about his life on the streets. Just like Furious 5 did in the 70's. By saying 50 is not hip hop you also diss the producers, So you are saying Dre, Timbaland, Scott Storch, are not hip hop! hey they created the beats for his hits and you would probably not say that if you heard how certain djs play fiddys music in NY clubs. Its funny because I have spoken to a lot of cats in the industry on this subject and they dont ever put that perception on artists based on commercial releases or success. Nelly, PM Dawn, Black Eyed Peas (although they started off raw) Yes, never been hip hop. I am not sticking up for 50 but he is an entertainer and arguably the most successful. His style is raw although he makes commercial records. Just like Twista, Nas, Biggie, 2pac, Snoop, Missy Elliot or Eve. Just because they are successful does not mean they do not represent hip hop. Whoo Kid is one of the biggest djs in the mix tape industry so I can not understand why he would be amongst someone who you percieve as not hip hop & it does not get more hip hop than him I'm afraid. I will lend you a mix tape if you want. I can see your perception and like myself I prefer the more under ground hip hop as I started buying Electro hip hop from 1983 and saw it progress. I hate the negative influences that surround hip hop today but unfortunately neither you or I are going to stop it. NWA, Krs 1, Slick Rick and even Public Enemy went through the phase of being a negative role models so no one is perfect and these guys were arguably the greatest rappers ever. The reason why the true pioneers were not given the credit where it was deserved was because the media and mainstream corporate industry did not want hip hop to succeed. Then a long came NWA and 2 live Crew to give us gangsta rap and cause controversy and sell records to white middle class america. Back in the day I used to think Kurtis Blow, Flash n the furious 5 and even some Run Dmc records was crap because they was successful compared to other rappers. I would never ever say they werent hip hop as they were all about the streets, just like fiddy. (like it or not) Its funny because people also diss Kanye West now because he is successful and his lyrics are conscience and he is a positive role model. So do you think Dj Westwood, 2pac, Biggie, P-Diddy, LL Cool J is not hip hop. Even though they have helped build it to what it is today. If I consider the Shadows (Apache) as hip hop because it was constantly popular playlisted in the (Bronx) ghetto, then so definately is fiddy. What I hate is the snobery that gets invoked in hip hop. Yes I love break dancing, graffiti, rap, scratching; but there is good and bad in all as a matter of opinion. To say not hip hop sounds like hating to me. Think about it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discodown Posted November 17, 2007 Author Share Posted November 17, 2007 Firstly hip hop is about the elements and whole cuture that surrounds the music. You forgot a major element there and that is it is music from the ghetto or streets. Also it is a fundamental format of entertainment from the ghetto. Fiddy raps about his life on the streets. Just like Furious 5 did in the 70's. By saying 50 is not hip hop you also diss the producers, So you are saying Dre, Timbaland, Scott Storch, are not hip hop! hey they created the beats for his hits and you would probably not say that if you heard how certain djs play fiddys music in NY clubs. Its funny because I have spoken to a lot of cats in the industry on this subject and they dont ever put that perception on artists based on commercial releases or success. Nelly, PM Dawn, Black Eyed Peas (although they started off raw) Yes, never been hip hop. I am not sticking up for 50 but he is an entertainer and arguably the most successful. His style is raw although he makes commercial records. Just like Twista, Nas, Biggie, 2pac, Snoop, Missy Elliot or Eve. Just because they are successful does not mean they do not represent hip hop. Whoo Kid is one of the biggest djs in the mix tape industry so I can not understand why he would be amongst someone who you percieve as not hip hop & it does not get more hip hop than him I'm afraid. I will lend you a mix tape if you want. I can see your perception and like myself I prefer the more under ground hip hop as I started buying Electro hip hop from 1983 and saw it progress. I hate the negative influences that surround hip hop today but unfortunately neither you or I are going to stop it. NWA, Krs 1, Slick Rick and even Public Enemy went through the phase of being a negative role models so no one is perfect and these guys were arguably the greatest rappers ever. The reason why the true pioneers were not given the credit where it was deserved was because the media and mainstream corporate industry did not want hip hop to succeed. Then a long came NWA and 2 live Crew to give us gangsta rap and cause controversy and sell records to white middle class america. Back in the day I used to think Kurtis Blow, Flash n the furious 5 and even some Run Dmc records was crap because they was successful compared to other rappers. I would never ever say they werent hip hop as they were all about the streets, just like fiddy. (like it or not) Its funny because people also diss Kanye West now because he is successful and his lyrics are conscience and he is a positive role model. So do you think 2pac, Biggie, P-Diddy, LL Cool J is not hip hop. Even though they have helped build it to what it is today. If I consider the Shadows (Apache) as hip hop because it was constantly popular playlisted in the (Bronx) ghetto, then so definately is fiddy. Think about it!!! Excellent post! At the risk of getting slaughtered by my learned friend 4321 I think peoples issues with the likes of fiddy is that it seems all about him and what he does and it kind of ignores the beats and the DJ, without his DJ fiddy is nothing. Just a guy speaking in rhythm. The more popular hiphop seems so far removed from what people think hiphop should be that they kind of resent it. I know I do. As for your feelings about apache they are entirely justified, I personally regard Nile Edwards as hip hop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon1 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Freemasons aren't electro and i won't hear a word said against them. They are really nice guys and (current single aside) their output is way above average in quality. ok dude.....please could you classify this for me (musical genre).... and this.... http://youtube.com/watch?v=wdk5kf91LgI and this... http://youtube.com/watch?v=dCWUiBn2yXc because i think we're just squabbling over names here..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon1 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Ay up Sol, wondered how long til you joined in the debate! ey up dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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