Parking Permits in Hillsborough.

[Ms Macbeth]

That hasn't stopped the council yet. What you're saying is what everybody knows to be the truth: any parking problems are during the evening when residents get home from work, and are simply the result of residents having too many cars for the available street space.

 

On many streets that's exactly what its like. However, there used to be all day parking problems on some of the really central streets, like Hawksley, Taplin and Hillsborough Rds with commuters parking all day. Now with the two hour limit there is the opportunity to drive in during the day, and find a parking space. It was residents from those (and similar) streets who asked about permits several years ago, at meetings of the since defunct Residents' Association.

[lukeowl1979]

We had a recent review for the Parkside Road area - had to be returned by the 3rd April. We completed and made comments to similar effect as last time -

 

No guarantee of a space, so paying for the same situation as we already have.

 

Only issues on our road are in the evening when people return from work and park selfishly in the space available.

 

Bays will limit the amount of space to park on the road.

 

Negative impact on demand and price in relation to an already strugglin property market.

 

Also our belief that they take a "no response" to be in favour of a scheme - I pointed out that, on our stretch of 7 terraces we are currently the only house with 1 car. Each of the other 6 have 0 cars to them - those people are less likely to respond because it won't have any effect on them. How does that indicate that those people are in favour of the scheme?

 

I also question the statement on the review which read something along the lines of "some residents in the area have requested inclusion" - absolute poppycock! If you drive on our road and those surrounding during the day you will see nothing but empty space available to park in. The only times when parking is at a premium is overnight and from 1PM on matchdays - but even that has improved of late.

 

I want to know if I'm within my rights to request who in the area has requested this - if it were to be implemented. I'd like to see proof and wonder where myself and other residents would stand if the council could be brought to court on the matter. I don't trust or believe their intentions one jot.

 

Also, can anyone point me to anywhere on the council website that updates on the review process and gives an idea on timelines for discussions, etc?

 

Thanks in advance.

[metalman]

Just out of interest, did you actually ask specifically for the scheme to be scrapped?

[lukeowl1979]

Just out of interest, did you actually ask specifically for the scheme to be scrapped?

 

I requested it not be implemented on our road or the "parkside road" area. I can't really comment on the validity of it on roads which I don't reside - but I certainly would be shocked if anyone on Parkside or Winster has requested this for daytime hours.

[Planner1]

Also our belief that they take a "no response" to be in favour of a scheme - I pointed out that, on our stretch of 7 terraces we are currently the only house with 1 car. Each of the other 6 have 0 cars to them - those people are less likely to respond because it won't have any effect on them. How does that indicate that those people are in favour of the scheme?

 

I also question the statement on the review which read something along the lines of "some residents in the area have requested inclusion" - absolute poppycock! If you drive on our road and those surrounding during the day you will see nothing but empty space available to park in. The only times when parking is at a premium is overnight and from 1PM on matchdays - but even that has improved of late.

 

I want to know if I'm within my rights to request who in the area has requested this - if it were to be implemented. I'd like to see proof and wonder where myself and other residents would stand if the council could be brought to court on the matter. I don't trust or believe their intentions one jot.

 

Also, can anyone point me to anywhere on the council website that updates on the review process and gives an idea on timelines for discussions, etc?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

The Council could not give you details of who had asked for something. They can't provide information to you that would identify an individual.

 

I can assure you that they do not treat no-responses as anything other than a no-response.

 

I think that something you should bear in mind is that people might say one thing to you and something entirely different in a written response to the Council. I have seen this many times.

 

If you want an update on how things are progressing with the review work, I can put you in touch with the officer who is leading on it. PM me if you want this.

[musely]

My dad lives on one of the roads where permits are coming in and it's an absolute joke. I only struggle to park there on a match day, there is no justification for bringing in these permits at all apart from to make money. No, you can't often park directly outside your house, but you can easily get a space on the street. At the end of the day everyone knew the parking situation when they moved there. This is all going to drive business away from hillsborough. I never stop there as I know I'll have to pay for parking, I call in at shops where I can park free and I'm probably not the only one.

[Ms Macbeth]

The Council could not give you details of who had asked for something. They can't provide information to you that would identify an individual.

 

I can assure you that they do not treat no-responses as anything other than a no-response.

 

I think that something you should bear in mind is that people might say one thing to you and something entirely different in a written response to the Council. I have seen this many times.

 

If you want an update on how things are progressing with the review work, I can put you in touch with the officer who is leading on it. PM me if you want this.

 

As you may have seen from my previous posts on this subject, I understand the need for permits in the central part of Hillsborough, that was where the initial residents' requests came from. However, as lots of people who filled in questionnaires have said, on the streets on the periphery the problems aren't due to commuters during the day, but in the evenings when everyone is home.

 

Other local authorities have implemented 24 hour parking schemes and in some areas that are heavily overparked, limited the number of residents' passes. Have you any idea why that couldn't have been done in Hillsborough in streets where night time parking is the main problem? It isn't an issue for me personally, our street has no parking problems except on match days, and that's an accepted part of living here.

[Dan_Ashcroft]

As you may have seen from my previous posts on this subject, I understand the need for permits in the central part of Hillsborough, that was where the initial residents' requests came from. However, as lots of people who filled in questionnaires have said, on the streets on the periphery the problems aren't due to commuters during the day, but in the evenings when everyone is home.

 

Other local authorities have implemented 24 hour parking schemes and in some areas that are heavily overparked, limited the number of residents' passes. Have you any idea why that couldn't have been done in Hillsborough in streets where night time parking is the main problem? It isn't an issue for me personally, our street has no parking problems except on match days, and that's an accepted part of living here.

 

What would that solve - other than driving the wealthy/those with money to spend in the area away because they don't like having to park their car up in Wisewood every night?

 

It's terrace streets and some people have two cars. You might need to park 20 meters up the street. It happens all over the world.

 

Hillsborough's dying anyway - I'm resigned to that now and will be joining the white flight asap.

[Ms Macbeth]

What would that solve - other than driving the wealthy/those with money to spend in the area away because they don't like having to park their car up in Wisewood every night?

 

It's terrace streets and some people have two cars. You might need to park 20 meters up the street. It happens all over the world.

 

Hillsborough's dying anyway - I'm resigned to that now and will be joining the white flight asap.

 

Most of the 'wealthy' don't live in Hillsborough. I like living here (no lack of parking on my street) and it suits my pocket, but if I was genuinely wealthy I'd be off to a nice detached bungalow somewhere in the south west of the city.

 

A permit system for parking overnight would mean that residents with one car would be more able to park somewhere near their home. 20 metres isn't the problem, its having to park a good walk away on another street. That's ok in the daytime, but for lots of people its not so good at night. A night time scheme wouldn't have an effect on shoppers who mainly come here in the daytime. Its also been pointed out by others that the shops that seem to thrive here are at the cheaper end of the market, that suggests that it isn't the wealthy they attract.

[Dan_Ashcroft]

Most of the 'wealthy' don't live in Hillsborough. I like living here (no lack of parking on my street) and it suits my pocket, but if I was genuinely wealthy I'd be off to a nice detached bungalow somewhere in the south west of the city.

 

A permit system for parking overnight would mean that residents with one car would be more able to park somewhere near their home. It wouldn't have an effect on shoppers who mainly come here in the daytime. Its also been pointed out by others that the shops that seem to thrive here are at the cheaper end of the market, that suggests that it isn't the wealthy they attract.

 

Wealthy in terms of two car owning aspirant classes with disposible income.

 

A parking scheme with effectively allocated parking spaces would be very draconian. It would be like privatising public roads.

 

And it would be any nightmare for anyone receiving visitors, delivery drivers etc.