Parking Permits in Hillsborough.

[Litotes]

Remember that the respondents were answering specific questions on the review of an operating scheme.

 

There was space on the form for them to make any other comments they wanted to make, including whether they wanted the scheme to continue or not.

 

Those few people who chose to say they wanted the scheme removed had their views passed on to the decision makers. The Council did not draw any inference from anything that was not said.

 

How do you know this?

Are you being given priviledged information or are you just inferring this from how it should be done?

[Penistone999]

Remember that the respondents were answering specific questions on the review of an operating scheme.

 

There was space on the form for them to make any other comments they wanted to make, including whether they wanted the scheme to continue or not.

 

Those few people who chose to say they wanted the scheme removed had their views passed on to the decision makers. The Council did not draw any inference from anything that was not said.

 

Why wasnt there a specific Question asking if they wanted the scheme or not. ? Surely this is the fundamental Question to ask the residents .

[Planner1]

Why wasnt there a specific Question asking if they wanted the scheme or not. ? Surely this is the fundamental Question to ask the residents .

They asked the local people whether they wanted a scheme in the initial consultation before the scheme was introduced.

 

The consultation we are discussing was a review of the operation of the scheme which was introduced, so why would they ask whether a scheme was wanted or not? This consultation was about whether people thought the scheme had made a difference and how it might be adjusted to better suit local needs.

 

If an overwhelming number of people had been dissatisfied with the scheme, and wanted it removed, they would have said so. The fact is that only a small number of people said this.

 

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How do you know this?

Are you being given priviledged information or are you just inferring this from how it should be done?

I read the report which went to the Cabinet Highways Committee and I've spoken directly to the author of the report.

 

Council officers who write such reports don't infer anything from non-responses. They report the feedback they receive and make recommendations to the decision makers.

[andygardener]

 

If an overwhelming number of people had been dissatisfied with the scheme, and wanted it removed, they would have said so. The fact is that only a small number of people said this.

 

You have said multiple times that you only ever get a handfull of responses. I know this is due to the way you communicate, you'll say it isn't but the fact remains you only ever get a handfull of responses.

 

Why not change the way you do things. If 51% of a street ask you to put in parking restrictions then start looking into it. Until that point consider your input not needed. Simple effective democracy. Then where there are parking problems you will have them clamouring at your door, where you're not wanted you won't need to go. Everyones happy.

[Planner1]

You have said multiple times that you only ever get a handfull of responses. I know this is due to the way you communicate, you'll say it isn't but the fact remains you only ever get a handfull of responses.

 

Why not change the way you do things. If 51% of a street ask you to put in parking restrictions then start looking into it. Until that point consider your input not needed. Simple effective democracy. Then where there are parking problems you will have them clamouring at your door, where you're not wanted you won't need to go. Everyones happy.

The democracy angle is served at the ballot box.

 

The elected Councillors take the decisions, including which potential schemes get taken forward for consultation. Consultation informs their decisions. Consultation is not usually in itself a ballot, it is just a way of giving the decision makers a flavour of local opinion.

 

The Councillors are content with the way that consultation is carried out. If they were not, they'd require it to be done differently.

 

If you are not happy with the way schemes are selected or progressed I suggest you raise it with your Councillors.

[andygardener]

The democracy angle is served at the ballot box.

 

The elected Councillors take the decisions, including which potential schemes get taken forward for consultation. Consultation informs their decisions. Consultation is not usually in itself a ballot, it is just a way of giving the decision makers a flavour of local opinion.

 

The Councillors are content with the way that consultation is carried out. If they were not, they'd require it to be done differently.

 

If you are not happy with the way schemes are selected or progressed I suggest you raise it with your Councillors.

 

Well maybe some independents will get elected to break the cozy "you plebs have no actual say" cycle and what the people who live in the areas think and want will actually matter, rather than be a flavour to be ignored. I really hope Sheffield has it in us to do it, because crushed under labour and their alliance with your kind it's getting more third world by the day.

[HotPhil]

The Council did not draw any inference from anything that was not said.

Well, that's not correct. A small number of people initially asked for a scheme. From that, the council were quite happy to accept the inference that the entire area wanted it.

They choose to sit on whichever side of the fence suits them best at that moment.

[metalman]

They asked the local people whether they wanted a scheme in the initial consultation before the scheme was introduced.

 

The consultation we are discussing was a review of the operation of the scheme which was introduced, so why would they ask whether a scheme was wanted or not? This consultation was about whether people thought the scheme had made a difference and how it might be adjusted to better suit local needs.

 

If an overwhelming number of people had been dissatisfied with the scheme, and wanted it removed, they would have said so. The fact is that only a small number of people said this.

 

And maybe if you asked the direct question 'Do you want the entire scheme scrapped?' you might get rather more people saying that they did. Surely this is exactly the time to ask them that because they have lived with/suffered (or in councilspeak 'enjoyed the benefits of') the scheme for a year, and if it doesn't do what they thought it was going to, they might very well want to get rid of it. Surely the fact that several people said exactly that without any prompting should make you ask that question in any future consultations of this sort?

[Penistone999]

The democracy angle is served at the ballot box.

 

The elected Councillors take the decisions, including which potential schemes get taken forward for consultation. Consultation informs their decisions. Consultation is not usually in itself a ballot, it is just a way of giving the decision makers a flavour of local opinion.

 

The Councillors are content with the way that consultation is carried out. If they were not, they'd require it to be done differently.

 

If you are not happy with the way schemes are selected or progressed I suggest you raise it with your Councillors.

 

 

Of course the Cllrs are happy with the way consultations are carried out ,as they are done in such a way as to benefit the councils decision makers, IE, they carry our the minimum consultation they have too . The less people they ask for their views ,the less chance there is of opposition to a scheme.

[Parvo]

Of course the Cllrs are happy with the way consultations are carried out ,as they are done in such a way as to benefit the councils decision makers, IE, they carry our the minimum consultation they have too . The less people they ask for their views ,the less chance there is of opposition to a scheme.

 

 

Residents in the area were asked.....

but who should vote for what scheme where..............Are you wanting to vote against the scheme in an area so you can park on side roads rather than use a car park or a park and ride?

because if that's the case are you saying I should also have the right to vote for a parking permit scheme on the road that you live?

 

ps My reasons for wanting the scheme were that we were a free park and ride and dumping ground, now its 2 hours free parking and its LOADS better, If people coming to the area had had a little consideration for residents none of us would have asked for it...

I also think that the Hawksley rd car park should have stayed free

 

by the way if you want to overstay the hours its choose a match day because thats when you rarely see parking ticket officers - grrrrrrrrr