metalman Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Deaf ears Phil. You know it, I think I remember your posts earlier but can't be arsed to look now. Our road, was £5 for 25 day tickets, ordered some new ones yesterday, now £12.50 for 25. Who can stop them? They can do what they want once they've got you. Wait long enough and people forget. Don't worry, Planner1 will be along in a minute to say that it's only 50p, it's less than the price of a pint and if you can't afford 50p you shouldn't be driving a car etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Don't worry, Planner1 will be along in a minute to say that it's only 50p, it's less than the price of a pint and if you can't afford 50p you shouldn't be driving a car etc etc. If you look at the AA's Motoring Costs 2013 you will see that among the other cost of running a car they include parking. http://www.theaa.com/resources/Documents/pdf/motoring-advice/running-costs/diesel2013.pdf Parking is part of running a car just like filling the tank. Here is another calculator for the cost of running a car, life is not cheap when you add in all the extras http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-1633412/Calculator-True-cost-running-car.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms Macbeth Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I'm not getting personnel at all I'm frustrated I used to live just off middlewood rd a few years ago I still local and I'm sick and tired of people moaning about parking yes it's bad but has been for years according to some if I want to go to the park in the car I have to pay if I park on the streets I would have to pay if I shop in hillsborough bank in hillsborough socialise in hillsborough I have to pay and before anyone says anything I'm not to great on my pins and the buses are very unreliable so I pay more than enough to keep my car on the road and where I live I probably pay more council tax so I think it's a bit unfair DONT you oh! And up n till fairly recent I would have had to pay to call on my daughter and grandson who used to live just off middlewood road. I can park free when I take my car to Hillsborough. B&M for 90 minutes or Taplin Rd along from Haden Street for 2 hours. Most busy places now have to have some restrictions otherwise people would leave their cars all day - as was happening in HB. As the population have more and more cars, it must be obvious to all that busy areas get even busier. I've said in earlier posts that my friends who drive here to meet me regularly for coffee get parked far more easily than when it was free all day. They don't grudge £1 for the privilege. When our daughter worked at St Mary's in Paddington (about 15 years ago), she lived in NHS accommodation. The flats were part of a really nice complex, however, even back then when we went to help move her belongings, she had to pay for a visitor's parking pass. But at least we were near her home. Where she lives in Hillsborough (off Walkley Lane) parking near her home is well nigh impossible after 6pm. She'd love a permit scheme from 6pm-6am with a maximum of 2 permits per household - but that isn't likely to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 It's worse than that - there's no "voting". People are offered a say in a "consultation". Then the collected data is packaged up and presented to the council for a decision. Even if 100% of people replied to a "consultation" and 100% of them said they didn't want it, the council can still decide to put the scheme in. The only place to change it is the ballot box when it's local election time. That's the way all council decisions are made. Do you recognise the difficulty and expense of having a proper ballot for every decision? You get quite low turnouts at local government elections, so, chances are, even if you had proper ballots on every significant decision, the response would be not much better than the consultations that they already do. No scheme has ever been put in against overwhelming rejection. Areas which say they don't want a scheme, don't get one. That happened at Hillsborough. That should give you confidence that the Councillors do pay close attention to public opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeowl1979 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 That's the way all council decisions are made. Do you recognise the difficulty and expense of having a proper ballot for every decision? You get quite low turnouts at local government elections, so, chances are, even if you had proper ballots on every significant decision, the response would be not much better than the consultations that they already do. No scheme has ever been put in against overwhelming rejection. Areas which say they don't want a scheme, don't get one. That happened at Hillsborough. That should give you confidence that the Councillors do pay close attention to public opinion. I had a conversation with the chap at the council looking after this. I asked him how many responses he had from our road. He said he couldn't remember exact numbers, but off the top of his head he thought there were "about 3 or 4 in favour and 3 or 4 against". So, from a road of approx 25 households, they had approximately 6-8 responses, with a 50-50 split of opinion. And from that they decided that there was a mandate to impliment the scheme?!! How is that to be considered a majority? How is it also considering the lack of response from empty households, and those with off-road parking who will take one look at a permit scheme and say "don't care - won't effect us we have a drive/garage/both" and promptly chuck it in the bin? It's ludicrous. This is why I asked whether the council can be forced to present the data, because, surely there is something morally - and potentially legally - wrong in claiming a majority in favour when it's clear that anything but a majority of residents on the road have responded in favour of the scheme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevo Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I can park free when I take my car to Hillsborough. B&M for 90 minutes or Taplin Rd along from Haden Street for 2 hours. Most busy places now have to have some restrictions otherwise people would leave their cars all day - as was happening in HB. As the population have more and more cars, it must be obvious to all that busy areas get even busier. I've said in earlier posts that my friends who drive here to meet me regularly for coffee get parked far more easily than when it was free all day. They don't grudge £1 for the privilege. When our daughter worked at St Mary's in Paddington (about 15 years ago), she lived in NHS accommodation. The flats were part of a really nice complex, however, even back then when we went to help move her belongings, she had to pay for a visitor's parking pass. But at least we were near her home. Where she lives in Hillsborough (off Walkley Lane) parking near her home is well nigh impossible after 6pm. She'd love a permit scheme from 6pm-6am with a maximum of 2 permits per household - but that isn't likely to happen. You obviously don't understand what I'm getting at,Why should 1 person make a decision that brings charges in for another person who DOES NOT want it it's like me saying you should pay twice as much council tax than your next door neighbour I'm sure you would agree to that wouldn't you????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narden Dee Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 That's what is so wrong with the system is that on a road of say 100 if 51 voted for it and 49 was against it it would be brought in so you would have NO choice but to pay and that can't be right!!!! isnt that democracy? are you saying that those who want permits pay and those who dont want permits dont pay but still get the benefit of parking for free?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I'm sorry but this will not stop people who visit the church or the park .A permit does not mean you get a parking space on your rd .People will still be able to park for 2 hrs and in the evening .A permit scheme will not help you in this case . I estimate there are about 30 spaces on the road (in the bottom half of Dorothy Road, so not counting across Dixon Road as I don't know what it is like there). At night when it is just the residents parked there are about 12-15 cars on the road, from 8AM there is an additional 6-8 that stay there all day, the spaces nearest the bottom of the road are the ones in rotation by people using the park/bowling green/church. Take away the 6-8 all day parkers and those spaces would be used by the rotation parkers as well but it would be a lot easier to find spaces. So a system whereby only residents are allowed to park all-day whereas others could park for a maximum of two hours would ease the situation considerably. @Kevo Regarding your ill-conceived point 'why do people move there if they know' - things change, things develop all the time. The parking has got worse here in recent years (in particular due to our bright council introducing paid parking in the park, as I pointed out earlier, never mind making part of Hillsborough paid parking therefore forcing others to the periphery for parking). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 It's ludicrous. This is why I asked whether the council can be forced to present the data, because, surely there is something morally - and potentially legally - wrong in claiming a majority in favour when it's clear that anything but a majority of residents on the road have responded in favour of the scheme? Did you look at the report I provided a link to? I was told the figures were in there. There is nothing legally wrong with what they are doing. Consultation is just to give decision makers a flavour of local opinion. It's up to the decision makers (who are your elected representatives )what they do with that information. Legally, they can impose a scheme irrespective of how many want it or don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalman Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 But surely a lot of the cars that are parked there at night go away in the day when their owners go to work, so that should even it out a bit. The other thing you've got to think about is, are you out all day or do you regularly come home and try to park at odd hours in the middle of the day? How much does it really inconvenience you - enough to pay £35 a year (and it will only go up in future) and will it inconvenience you more if you do have a parking scheme? If you have lots of visitors for example it's going to cost you. ---------- Post added 23-08-2013 at 12:05 ---------- No scheme has ever been put in against overwhelming rejection. Areas which say they don't want a scheme, don't get one. That happened at Hillsborough. That should give you confidence that the Councillors do pay close attention to public opinion. So are you saying that some have been put in against marginal rejection then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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