The Global Warming Megathread

[El Cid]

I think he is not denying that climate change is happening, he appears to reject the idea that it will be a bad thing...

 

I dont know more than NASA and other scientists, he obviously does.

[Tim Grindley]

This is rather boring, you can demand all you want. You will be saying NASA hasn't sent anyone to the moon and its all a hoax.

 

Science that supports climate change can be found using Google, if you cannot be bothered to do that, then you are not interested in the subject.

 

NASA certainly has sent men to the moon.

 

There is also, as you say, plenty of science that supports the fact that the world has wared. There is plenty to support the idea that it will warm by as much as the IPCC predicts, 3.4c over now by 2100, and plenty that says it wont but that's a different subject from this one.

 

The bit that is missing is any science what so ever that supports any claim that this is significantly bad. Not even NASA cite any, they just put out a corperate opinion thing. No actual scientist's name to it. That is the point of the thread.

[apelike]

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2011/jun/01/biofuels-driving-food-prices-higher

 

But that does not state it has increased the cost and only makes an assumption: "This demand can do nothing but drive food prices higher." Not forgetting also that a vast amount of grain is also used just for animal feed and that has been going on well before the rise of bio-fuels.

 

And it still does not answer the question of how this new technology will be initially financed.

[Tim Grindley]

But that does not state it has increased the cost and only makes an assumption: "This demand can do nothing but drive food prices higher." Not forgetting also that a vast amount of grain is also used just for animal feed and that has been going on well before the rise of bio-fuels.

 

And it still does not answer the question of how this new technology will be initially financed.

Basic economics says that when the supply of food is reduced the price will increase.

http://www.rff.org/files/document/file/RFF-Resources-191_BiofuelMandates_0.pdf page 13

Given these changes, we find that even

if there were no biofuel mandates, food

prices would increase—by about 15 percent

in 2022 compared to the base year 2007.

When we superimpose the US and EU

biofuel mandates, world food prices go up

by 32 percent.

 

So, that will be an artificial increase of 17% over the currently over priced level of 30% to 70% above what basic food stuff should be.

 

How the world's poor will be maintained in abject poverty in order to make rich westeren farmers even richer.

[Hairyloon]

How the world's poor will be maintained in abject poverty in order to make rich westeren farmers even richer.

 

Well this is why we vote in Conservative governments.

 

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But back on topic:

[Robin-H]

Currently 40% of US grain is used to make biofuel. There is a massive amount of EU food stuffs used for the same. I don't know the exact number.

 

This has resulted in a 30% to 70% increase in basic food prices.

 

The price of food, in spite of the crime of artificially increasing it by using food as fuel, is lower than at almost any time. Again, better ways of growing the stuff.

 

So which is it? You've now claimed that food prices have both increased between 30% - 70% and also that food prices are lower than at almost any time. Clearly, both can't be true.

[Tim Grindley]

So which is it? You've now claimed that food prices have both increased between 30% - 70% and also that food prices are lower than at almost any time. Clearly, both can't be true.

 

The price of food is dropping. It would be lots lower still if this evil act of taking vast amounts of it out of the market was not happening.

 

It is both.

 

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Well this is why we vote in Conservative governments.

 

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But back on topic:

 

No party has any policy of upsetting the farmers.

 

ANd what has your link got to do with this thread?

Edited May 5, 2017 by Tim Grindley

[Hairyloon]

ANd what has your link got to do with this thread?

 

Try reading it. If you are still confused, then I think you are beyond my help.

[Tim Grindley]

Try reading it. If you are still confused, then I think you are beyond my help.

 

I have, it is that scientist explaining why the earth will warm up.

 

How does that explain what that will do? Mechanisms for any actual bad thing.

[DC89216]

Is there any particular reason Tom Grondley posts everything in blue?