The new Doctor Who

[Deavon]

I've really enjoyed reading and soaking up the last page and a bit of posts. Really interesting ideas and points of view!

 

Saturday evening fast approaching and nothing much to look forward to telly.

 

Look forward to seeing just how many years sm has thought ahead. Plenty more to come, what was the voice in the tardis? And why did it explode? Something to do with the dream master no doubt! We shall see in time. -ha! In ~time~ !!

[Paul Blade]

He didn't go forward at all. It was after he was imprisoned that he came to the idea that once he got out he would go back in time to set up events. So, he was already imprisoned. He did all the flitting back and forth after he got out, not before. He can only get out, however, by engineering his own escape once free. That is the paradox that he crafts (a dangerous risk to take at any other time, but with the universe and all of time collapsing, it was justifiable).

 

He already knew his sonic screwdriver could affect the lock of the pandorica (so think of that knowledge as being similar to the knowledge of the keys in B&T). So he needed to get the keys outside to Rory in order to get out. By making an internal promise to 'fill the time holes' after he escapes, he sets the paradox in motion, and so long as he does fill those holes he won't wipe out anything remaining.

 

Like I said, these type of paradoxical loops pop up anywhere time travel is used, some more obvious than others. The more you dwell on them, the more you drive yourself nuts.

 

Yes I agree but in a while I will end up in a padded room The pandorica was to imprison the Dr until the end of time so he couldn't have got out until the universe ended (and therefore he would not exist) and it was the Tardis keeping the Sun going so while it was therefore he could not get out to do his flitting back and forth

Banging head against wall now

[ambermayo]

not as good as david tennant

[HeadingNorth]

Yes I agree but in a while I will end up in a padded room The pandorica was to imprison the Dr until the end of time so he couldn't have got out until the universe ended (and therefore he would not exist) and it was the Tardis keeping the Sun going so while it was therefore he could not get out to do his flitting back and forth

Banging head against wall now

 

It's a well-known example of the rampant lunacy that becomes possible once you allow time-travel.

 

You're locked in a cell which cannot be opened from the inside. You hear the door open from the outside and see - your own self, who has come back in time from the future in order to let you out of the cell. But how is it that your own self is out of the cell in the first place, in order to make that time-travel trip? Well, while you were in the cell, the door opened from the outside....

 

 

The way I had it explained to me was to draw a line representing the real flow of time, and mark it with a couple of useful points. (AD 130 - Doctor imprisoned; AD 130 ten minutes later - Doctor released; AD2010, Doctor goes back in time to give Rory the screwdriver.)

 

Then draw another line representing the Doctor's own lifespan. That line will progress up until the point where he's imprisoned. It will continue to the next point, where Rory released him. It then goes off to AD2010, and then it will go back to just before the point where Rory releases him, so that he can give Rory the screwdriver; then it will go forward to AD2010 ten again. The line representing the Doctor's lifespan is continuous; there are no logical impossibilities. It crosses over itself a few times, which - in the Doctor Who world - is dangerous and something he tries not to do; but at no point does it stop, or jump impossibly from one position to another.

 

 

As for the incredible difficulty of escaping from the Pandorica at all - that only applied to the being inside of it. It was easy to open from the outside.

[Paul Blade]

It's a well-known example of the rampant lunacy that becomes possible once you allow time-travel.

 

You're locked in a cell which cannot be opened from the inside. You hear the door open from the outside and see - your own self, who has come back in time from the future in order to let you out of the cell. But how is it that your own self is out of the cell in the first place, in order to make that time-travel trip? Well, while you were in the cell, the door opened from the outside....

 

 

The way I had it explained to me was to draw a line representing the real flow of time, and mark it with a couple of useful points. (AD 130 - Doctor imprisoned; AD 130 ten minutes later - Doctor released; AD2010, Doctor goes back in time to give Rory the screwdriver.)

 

Then draw another line representing the Doctor's own lifespan. That line will progress up until the point where he's imprisoned. It will continue to the next point, where Rory released him. It then goes off to AD2010, and then it will go back to just before the point where Rory releases him, so that he can give Rory the screwdriver; then it will go forward to AD2010 ten again. The line representing the Doctor's lifespan is continuous; there are no logical impossibilities. It crosses over itself a few times, which - in the Doctor Who world - is dangerous and something he tries not to do; but at no point does it stop, or jump impossibly from one position to another.

 

 

As for the incredible difficulty of escaping from the Pandorica at all - that only applied to the being inside of it. It was easy to open from the outside.

 

Knock Knock the sound of the men in the white coats

I think I must just take it as a Dr. Who moment which I must admit spoils it for me as it is the first time in all 6 series I haven't understood

[Plain Talker]

Knock Knock the sound of the men in the white coats

I think I must just take it as a Dr. Who moment which I must admit spoils it for me as it is the first time in all 6 series I haven't understood

 

it's just a programme. PB.

[HeadingNorth]

Knock Knock the sound of the men in the white coats

I think I must just take it as a Dr. Who moment which I must admit spoils it for me as it is the first time in all 6 series I haven't understood

 

If you draw the lines, it will look a lot simpler than trying to understand it from reading my involved explanation. Trust me.

[voodoodanny]

So, am I really the only person who actually likes the redesigned "new paradigm" daleks?

[Beakerzoid]

So, am I really the only person who actually likes the redesigned "new paradigm" daleks?

 

I kind of like them. Remind me so much of the comic book strips from decades ago.

 

Just don't think they were introduced very well - the WWII episode was garbage!

[voodoodanny]

I kind of like them. Remind me so much of the comic book strips from decades ago.

 

Just don't think they were introduced very well - the WWII episode was garbage!

 

It wasn't the best was it. Maybe Mark Gatiss should stick to The League of Gentlemen!

 

As for the first appearance of the new Daleks, having them all lined up like a rainbow did made them look a bit cheap and power ranger-esque but I can imagine a whole squadron of red Drones looking impressively menacing! ...and I think the white Supreme looks excellent by itself too. I bought a Drone action figure actually, looks good guarding my desk!