devlin Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 How very strange roughy101................ think she will either be illegitimate or her mother just simply wanted to hide the identity of her father or indeed not have him on the MC. Out of interest Ancestry has this marriage registered twice with 2 different spellings 1) Wilberham 2) Wilbuham What name did it state for Emmas mother on the certificate Dev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughy101 Posted November 19, 2008 Author Share Posted November 19, 2008 How very strange roughy101................ think she will either be illegitimate or her mother just simply wanted to hide the identity of her father or indeed not have him on the MC. Out of interest Ancestry has this marriage registered twice with 2 different spellings 1) Wilberham 2) Wilbuham What name did it state for Emmas mother on the certificate Dev hi devlin it was spelt wilberham on the marriage cert.i have deleted 1 of the trees on ancestry,for some reason it had duplicated.i am trying to find mary anne wilberham marriage without much luck:thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUFFEMS Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 marriage cert just arrived and thanks duffems it was his marriage,it gives his fathers mame as benjamine so i was in the right track,but desnt give fathers name for emma wilberham it gives the mothers,on other marriage cert if the father is dead it states deceased could she have been illigitemate:confused: Brilliant! I love it when a plan comes together! The father's name wasn't always given as "deceased" on a marriage certificate so you can't assume he was. It's possible she was illegitimate, what do you have on her birth background? Duffems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlin Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 So I can assume that mothers name on the MC is Mary Ann Wilberham, I will have a look for you but it seems you are digging exstensively anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughy101 Posted November 19, 2008 Author Share Posted November 19, 2008 do you know devlin i think you are right,the only reason i wanted the marriage certificate for charles was to confirm his father was benjamin. I was just curious as to why it gave the mothers name instead of the dads:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughy101 Posted November 19, 2008 Author Share Posted November 19, 2008 i have been on sheffield indexers allday trying to find my grandmothers birth to no avail i seeing as everyone is so helpfull iwill do another post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlin Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 I think its bad luck that Emma was born before civil registration started. According to the census (where I have found her with Charles in 1881, 1891 and 1901) she was 2 years older than Charles so would have been born around 1835. What is really frustrating is that the census does not provide any clues for Wilberhams prior to Emma marrying Charles ie where she was with her mother in 1841 and 1851. I think this might suggest that she was born with some other name ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobster Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 on the 1861 census charles is listed as charley jackson ,emma is listed being born chesterfield .on the IGI there is the record of emma wilberham being christened chesterfield 1839 mother sarah wilberham ,no father listed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlin Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 on the 1861 census charles is listed as charley jackson ,emma is listed being born chesterfield .on the IGI there is the record of emma wilberham being christened chesterfield 1839 mother sarah wilberham ,no father listed Yes..I have seen that too but it's not the same spelling (Wilbraham) and the mother is called Sarah where as on the marriage certificate she is a Mary Ann. However, spellings have evolved and names were used differently too so who knows? The 1861 census entry is definately Charley and Emma... now there is only 1871 missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlin Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Just on the off chance Roughy101..... are there any witnesses on the marriage certificate and if so what are the names....just occasionaly these can give a lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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