Darbees Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Lie about where they've been working you mean? Or get a mate at their previous place of work to provide a reference? Well, if people want to conduct their lives in this manner, then that's up to them. I would feel like a complete fraud and worry about being discovered. Most decent jobs these days require 2 if not 3 referees and have quite rigorous selection procedures at interview, after all it is in the employers' best interests to appoint the best person for the job. Yes but these people we are talking about don't have a degree and they are trying to get a job and so they are using any method they can to secure it and are prepared to take the risk. That's not the same as a person who has a degree having to consider these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Overheard a group of who I thought were X students in the Pub the other evening, 1 appeared to be complaining he was £47K in debt, even after failing his Law degree, and he was unemployed. <rest of it snipped> If you start to factor in potential loss earnings then the total combined figure is even more scary. Then there is the issue in someone getting a degree in a certain subject only to end up in a career where their degree is totally irrelevant to their Job which makes me think that a lot of degrees aren't worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaFoot Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 If you start to factor in potential loss earnings then the total combined figure is even more scary. Then there is the issue in someone getting a degree in a certain subject only to end up in a career where their degree is totally irrelevant to their Job. The total debt a student *can* (I did ) end up is truly scary. While I now have a decent job (related to courses), proper prospects and reasonable salary I can't help feeling with a bit of luck I could have ended up in the same position without the uni time and debt by working my way up slowly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffragette1 Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Then there is the issue in someone getting a degree in a certain subject only to end up in a career where their degree is totally irrelevant to their Job which makes me think that a lot of degrees aren't worth it. Which accounts for the vast majority of graduates, unless the degree also has a professional qualification attached to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffragette1 Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 The total debt a student *can* (I did ) end up is truly scary. While I now have a decent job (related to courses), proper prospects and reasonable salary I can't help feeling with a bit of luck I could have ended up in the same position without the uni time and debt by working my way up slowly. In most professions/sectors there is however a ceiling for non-graduates. You may have got to where you are now through coming up through the ranks, however, how much further could you go? As we now have nearly 50% of school leavers entering Higher Education, a degree if not a post-grad qualification is becoming a pre-requisite for virtually any job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuey Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Purchasing a fake degree does not substitute for being a dork with no knowledge of your subject. They might con an idiot in personel but that won't wash when they show they are as thick a a brick when it comes to doing the job. Using fake credentials is a criminal act and I am pretty sure when it comes to light a visit to one of Her Majesty's establishments of anal pleasure is on the cards. This assumes that graduate do know there subject. We've had a couple in my place who's degrees where genuine. To be honest i wouldn't have trusted them to open a word file without instructions. The gaps in there very basic knowledge where phenominal. A degree is only any good it is in a good work related subject that you intend to go into. Secondly you need to know your subject beyond the basic course material. Other than that its just a way to run up debt. As far as buying docs is concerned then why not. Lets face it if you're doing media studies or one of the other numpty subjects your effectively buying a degree anyway. I couldn't tell you where my certs are. Probably in a previous house or an attic somewhere. At my stage of carrer my proffesional quals and experience are more likely to get me into a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaFoot Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 In most professions/sectors there is however a ceiling for non-graduates. You may have got to where you are now through coming up through the ranks, however, how much further could you go? How much further could I go from here with degree? I'm not sure, but I'm not convinced I'd need one.... (better stop there ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 The total debt a student *can* (I did ) end up is truly scary. While I now have a decent job (related to courses), proper prospects and reasonable salary I can't help feeling with a bit of luck I could have ended up in the same position without the uni time and debt by working my way up slowly. Exactly. You would have had 2-4 years industry experience head start by the time someone with a degree joined the same company and they may not be that far ahead on the pay scale. In which case, someone with a degree with big debts and loss earnings may never financially catch up the one who hasn't got a degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaFoot Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 You would have had 2-4 years industry experience... Not really. Without the degree my career path would have been something like: IT Retail 1st line support (call centre) or PC fixer in local shop 2nd line support (little bit techy) junior support technician in the field At this point I could choose to specialise a bit (programming/networks/hardware etc), I'm in programming... so.... maybe a junior web page programmer comes next (~16-18k at this point) this is where I start to get relevant experience to my current role for couple of years move from basic static pages to junior developer in a team developing with 'proper' languages (couple of years here) developer with sole responsibility for web-application(s) So a year each in the first couple of jobs, 2 years each in the more specialised roles = ~8 years. Or... Do degree and skip the IT support/call centre/PC repair bits of the career and have a degree. So I think I am a couple of years ahead of where I might be if I had gone for the enter at the bottom and work up approach, just with a load of debt. I do have lots of good memories from uni though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldprune Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 How much further could I go from here with degree? Chief moderator?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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