Big Rise in measles - thanks anti-vaccination activists

[cgksheff]

Around 150 children die from road traffic accidents each year ... NOW.

 

This many deaths from measles has not been seen since the 1950s.

 

Deaths were reduced to around 20 to 30 children per year until 1989 when MMR got it down to single figures.

 

Yes MMR is great, but measles is not the biggest killer around.

[plekhanov]

did i mention allergic reaction - go away and do some research before you dare to call me an idiot.

Some research on what exactly? You are being decidedly cryptic.

 

You come into this thread initially claiming that all the doctors quoted in the article are wrong and that "the risk that does exist" yet then turn round and pretend no body had been talking about autism. Then you start going on about contraindications even though (for very obvious reasons) nobody has expressed concern about children who shouldn't take the vaccine not taking it.

 

What's your point? What are you claiming the risks posed by MMR that Health Protection Agency and so forth aren't telling us about actually are and what if any are the grounds for your claims?

 

plajhanov - your way, way out of your depth.

In what way? Could you be even a tiny bit specific?

[saxondale]

Some research on what exactly? You are being decidedly cryptic.

 

 

 

simply don`t assume EVERY parent who hasnt had a child immunised has made that choice due to media hype over MMR.

 

 

having to give emergency aid to one of mine, for a cause/ effect thats well known and presents a lot higher than your figures quoted at the start of the thread was quite enough of a reason to not take the risk again.

 

 

contra indications - it is literally a list of side effects

[chinaski]

I wouldn't call the parents who didn't have their kids vaccinated "morons", though naive, yes. You have to remember the thalidomide episode still haunts many parents, in its obvious dramatic imagery and also in its ability to plant that fatal 'seed of doubt' in our trust in the medical community. As a parent, I do find some others treat parenting as a hobby, rather than a responsibility, and there is a sort of sick element in their refutation of the MMR vaccine. I suppose some would call it 'over-parenting'.

 

I remember listening to many parents on the radio at the time, absolutely convinced that their child was exhibiting autistic tendencies around the time they had the MMR vaccine. The consensus at the time though from the government affiliated agencies, was that it was safe. As a parent, you have to go with this. Conjecture shouldn't come into play when you risk a virus as potentially fatal as measles. If the agencies in question were wrong, than that is the fault of them. Unless you're a highly qualified professional in the field of micro-biology or whatever, it shouldn't have been a parents place to refuse their children the vaccine. It was simply plain stupid.

 

But it's also them that will have to live with the consequences, and that must be hard to live with. Prodding the poor fools in retrospect with the stick of righteousness won't ease the burden.

[Mo]

The MMR vaccine was introduced for a very good reason which is that so many parents just couldn't be bothered to make all the trips to the doctor necessary.

 

How does your 'easy solution' deal with this rather significant problem?

 

Quite simply, if parents are postponing having their children vaccinated because they fear MMR then give them the vaccines singly and I'm quite sure they will take them up.

 

 

If you assume that the decision to introduce MMR was one based purely on parents who 'couldn't be bothered to make all the trips to the doctor' then you are ignoring a very big factor, one of £££££££££££££££££££££££££££

[plekhanov]

simply don`t assume EVERY parent who hasnt had a child immunised has made that choice due to media hype over MMR.

Who said anything of the sort?

 

having to give emergency aid to one of mine, for a cause/ effect thats well known and presents a lot higher than your figures quoted at the start of the thread was quite enough of a reason to not take the risk again.

Specifically which figures in the article I quoted are you saying are wrong, what are your more accurate figures and what is their source?

 

now if you really did care, go and demand a list of contra indications - it is literally a list of side effects, BTW

No it isn't. As it's name would suggest 'contraindications' are things about a patient which suggest or 'indicate' that are particular medicine or procedure may be unwise in their individual case.

 

For reasons everybody apart from you seems to be able to understand the contraindications for MMR are of no relevance to parents refusing to get their kids vaccinated due to baseless media scare stories about MMR supposedly causing autism. Doctors are hardly likely to complain about kids who shouldn't be given the vaccine for valid medical reasons not taking it now are they?

[plekhanov]

Quite simply, if parents are postponing having their children vaccinated because they fear MMR then give them the vaccines singly and I'm quite sure they will take them up.

What parents actually did in the past would suggest otherwise.

 

If you assume that the decision to introduce MMR was one based purely on parents who 'couldn't be bothered to make all the trips to the doctor' then you are ignoring a very big factor, one of £££££££££££££££££££££££££££

Well of course money was a factor and quite rightly so. The NHS has finite resources and as such has a responsibility to expend those it gets as responsibly as possible.

 

MMR had a number of major benefits over single vaccines due to it requiring fewer trips to the doctor & therefore less of our medical professionals costly time.

1. An increased proportion of kids getting their full course of vaccines.

2. Reduced cost of the vaccination program freeing up resources for other less essential treatments.

[saxondale]

 

For reasons everybody apart from you seems to be able to understand the contraindications for MMR are of no relevance to parents refusing to get their kids vaccinated due to baseless media scare stories about MMR supposedly causing autism.

 

 

 

 

your either bored and after an argument, can`t actually read or are just plain stupid .............. read my whole posts in one go then see if you can work out why your whole thread is based on making wrong assumptions (thats guesses to you) in the meantime i`m going to do my best to ignore you.

 

if whoever it is thats feeding you the prop. your posting wants to get involved then I may be back to argue the point with someone worthy.

[plekhanov]

your either bored and after an argument,

The only guy spoiling for an argument in this thread is quite obviously you, the rest of it has gone off pretty cordially.

 

can`t actually read or are just plain stupid

Says the guy who didn't realise this thread is about parents being scared off the mmr jab due to the bogus scare about autism.

 

.............. read my whole posts in one go then see if you can work out why your whole thread is based on making wrong assumptions (thats guesses to you) in the meantime i`m going to do my best to ignore you.

Whilst you're ignoring me perhaps for the benefit of the other posters you could substantiate your lurid allegations about the NHS putting out false stats about MMR, healthcare professionals lying to you... You've made a series of dubious assertions in this thread and conspicuously attempted to avoid substantiating them. Until you do so how do you expect anybody to take anything you say seriously.

 

if whoever it is thats feeding you the prop.

Yes that's right I'm part of a sinister campaign spread "prop." I certainly didn't read that article on the BBC News website and then post it here as I know there have been previous MMR discussions here.

 

your posting wants to get involved then I may be back to argue the point with someone worthy.

Talk about delusions of adequacy. You're by far the least 'worthy' contributor to this thread so far, the rest have at the very least responded to what people actually said and been coherent.

[jeremyjh1]

Well I hope all those anti-vaccination activists and the parents who fell for their scaremongering are once again happy with themselves.

 

Their fear of a theoretical risk which almost certainly doesn't even exist has exposed their and all other children to a real danger that unquestionably does exist.

 

I am one of those 'irresponsible' parents and I take serious umbrage at being branded as such.

 

I have a 13 year old son who has autistic spectrum disorder and his condition came to light AFTER having been given the triple vaccine.

 

I have two other children and I have not given them the triple vaccine nor have I gone private - for political and ethical reasons I confess.

 

I have sent letters and emails to Liam Donaldson and other learned people regarding this subject, but each time the response has been the same - I am an being irresponsible with the health and well being of my children.

 

I do not agree and I will spell it out.

 

I do not consider the vaccines for measles, mumps and rhubella [sp?] to be dangerous, I feel that the triple vaccine is not fully vindicated and there are unanswered questions concerning is effects.

 

There are too many cases of autism that occur around the time when the triple vaccine is administered that fuel my concern.

 

The fact that nothing has been proven does not mean there is no link - it means that none has been found. And is there any chance of one being found?

 

No! Absolutely not. The doctor in Sunderland (I forget his name) posted some findings that suggest the possibility of a link and look what happened to him!! Do you think any other doctor will either consider looking in to possible links to the triplle MMR and autisim?

 

No, unless they want to see their career be destroyed.

 

And, do you think any doctor would get any funding for such research?

 

No - the govt say there's no link, so that's it.

 

There is no link.

 

Imagine if, back in the 15th century, the govt of GB or Spain or Portugal had said 'look, there is no land beyond the Atlantic - it's never been found, so it doesn't exist'.

 

America would never have been discovered!!!

 

The fact that no link has been established does NOT mean there IS no link, it just means there that no link has been established.

 

Back to my situation - my eldest son has autism - life is not 'simple', we are faced with many challanges and unusual situations. But, to my wife and I (and our other chidren) this is normal to us.

 

But, given the fear that the triple MMR might have prompted or promoted our eldests condition and knowing how that affects us, but more importantly him, to then take up the potential loaded gun and point it at the head of our second and third born and pull the trigger, fingers crossed, that they would not endure the same, well, sorry, my children are far, far to precious to me for that.

 

As someone else said, and I advocate the same, as a responsible parent, allow me, on the NHS, to have single dose vaccines and I will be there, dilligently and on time.

 

Deny me that option for a service I pay towards with my taxes, then I am faced with two options:

 

Potentially expose my children to 'getting' autism (a condition with no cure) or exposing my children to measles, mups and rhubella (for which there are treatments and the effects are not always life-threatening nor damaging).

 

Now, put it like that, who is being irresponsible?