JohnnyMathis Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I think Beneath-uz has got to take his share of the blame this season as well. He has acted like a spoilt child over the last couple of years, and this business with his contract could well be the end of him I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ousetunes Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 As a neutral I would have loved to see Liverpool win the Premier League but I always felt their chances were slim. Then the Mad Spaniard opens his gob which - as if it were needed - gave an even bigger incentive for Manchester United to crank it up a gear and in due course, replace them as leaders. For me, this is still a poor Liverpool side. I honestly feel that if Gerrard were to up sticks they'd plummet down the table. They seem predictable to me and the standard of football is laughable when compared to that of the 1970s and 80s. Manchester United on the other hand - as Basil rightly points out - have youth coming through and from what I've seen (on TV) they've some very promising youngsters. But above all that, they're great to watch and the blend of experience - Giggs and Scholes are still magnificent players - and youth makes them by far the most complete footballing side in the league (and Arsenal seem to have moved in the opposite direction). Liverpool will finish third or fourth but I think they're still a long way off having any real prospect of winning the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plekhanov Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 As a neutral I would have loved to see Liverpool win the Premier League. Why? What's there for a neutral to like about Liverpool? At least the likes of Arsenal and Villa generally give it a go and actually set out to try to win games. Liverpool on the other hand seem set up to not lose and play two DMs at home against even the weakest of sides and play horribly dull anti-football unless they happen to go behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daftlad Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Liverpool will never win the title while benitez is there, he is too negative a manager. Also there are players he still plays in the team nowhere near as good as robbie keane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plekhanov Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Liverpool will never win the title while benitez is there, he is too negative a manager. Also there are players he still plays in the team nowhere near as good as robbie keane I certainly hope not anyway, he seems far more concerned about not losing that trying to win and has actually come straight out and said as much. This works just fine in cup competitions (which he obviously has a good record with for Liverpool) but not so well in a league competition where a win and a loss is better than two draws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robS35 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Wheres LFCMADPAUL when you need him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0742Sheff Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Liverpool hadn't just lost the title when you started this thread no. They lost it long before that. The only people pretending otherwise seemed to be Liverpool fans. They probably never realised due to watching and talking about Man Utd so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadPaul Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Liverpool hadn't just lost the title when you started this thread no. They lost it long before that. The only people pretending otherwise seemed to be Liverpool fans. Ok then Mr Bandwagon, show me a post where a Liverpool fan on here has said "Liverpool will win the league"! I (a BIG Liverpool fan) have always said that Liverpool WON'T win the league! We simply are not good enough. Man Utd however are like a machine at the minute, and if they don't win the league, i'll post a pic of myself naked, holding an Everton shirt to my mouth with my lips puckered! Do us a favour, don't just say that Liverpool fans always claim that "we will win the league", because quite frankly, there is hardly a Liverpool fan I know that actually believes that this is the case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadPaul Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Like Jeerumba said, Liverpool are nothing without Gerrard, Torres and Alonso. Man Utd look like the only squad that has enough depth to field different teams each game and still look successful. Oh really? Well then could you please explain these FACTS that were stated in an article written recently, when this exact theory was spewed out by another 'fan' that didn't have a clue: I ask people to go check Manchester United's results without Ronaldo and Rooney. And again, I ask people to see how many games Liverpool have won without Torres and Gerrard this season. If you can't check, let me do it for you: United lost five league games last season. Rooney missed four of them, Ronaldo missed three, and they did not play together in any of those defeats. Of these opponents, only Chelsea were a team in the top eight, so it's not skewed by difficult games. In the 12 league matches Rooney did not start, United's accrued a 69-point average when extrapolated over 38 games, as opposed to the 87 they actually racked up. In the seven games Ronaldo did not start, the average would have made an even worse total: 65 points. Or the tally that saw Everton finish 5th. Shockingly, in the four games in which neither started –– against Manchester City, Bolton, Sunderland and Spurs (again, no giants, but admittedly one derby) –– they dropped half of the available points: meaning an average of 57 if extrapolated over 38 games. Or equivalent to finishing 8th, like Portsmouth. (Also, of the three league games Ronaldo missed at the start of this season, United dropped five points, which is the form of a mid-table side.) Yes, United have other good players all over the pitch, but do these facts not suggest that they are overly reliant on their best two attacking players? While United have coped well in the last few games without Rooney, without either him and/or Ronaldo on a regular basis, the form book suggests that they are not a title-winning side. Indeed, far from it. (Of course, if United did not have these players on a very regular basis, or indeed at all, they'd try to buy similar replacements; just as Liverpool obviously would in the case of Torres and Gerrard.) Now look at Liverpool without Torres and Gerrard this season. Gerrard has failed to start four league games –– Villa, United, Fulham and Portsmouth. Two of those are clearly very tough fixtures, against top-three sides. Two were at home, two away. And yet Liverpool's record is won two, drawn two. Over 38 league games, that is worth an impressive 76 points. Due to injury, Torres has failed to start no fewer than 15 league games. These resulted in ten wins, four draws and just one defeat. Over a 38 game season, that ratio would earn an incredible 86 points. That is a title-winning tally; last year United got 87, but needed only 86. Perhaps due to Torres playing at least half a dozen games when lacking sharpness, Liverpool have actually fared better without him; with him starting, the Reds have won five and drawn five, which is 76 points in terms of form over 38 games. (Though he did win the weekend's game from the bench.) It gets even more amazing. In each of the two league games Liverpool started without both Torres and Gerrard, the Reds won: against United and Pompey. It's only two games, of course, but it's a 100% record. Or 114 points over the course of a season! (Silly, I know, when based on such a small sample, but a 100% record is a 100% record.) Yes, these are statistics – but then league tables are formed from similar statistics relating to win, lose or draw, which are the most important kind. And yes, United's figures are based on last season (when they won the title) and Liverpool's this season (as they challenge for it). Even so, it's valid. But even I was shocked at how remarkably disparate the win/lose/draw statistics were. I'm no genius; I just sat down and bothered to check some team sheets and calculate some figures, rather than just make ignorant assumptions like the McPundits. So why are Liverpool the team perceived to rely on just two players? Why does someone like Tim Sherwood say that United don't rely on their key men and Liverpool do? Why isn't the truth –– that United cannot seem to cope very well without Ronaldo, and certainly not well at all without both him and Rooney –– more well known? Why isn't Rafa praised for getting so many great results without his key men this season, rather than just constantly criticised? Why isn't Ferguson accused of being lucky or relying on Rooney and Ronaldo to get him out of trouble? I'll leave you (and anyone in the media who reads this) to draw your own conclusions. But based on these figures, if I were Alex Ferguson and United lost Rooney and Ronaldo to serious injury, I'd be very worried. So, what do people make of these facts? Can the myth that surfaces day after day, week after week, finaly be layed to rest? I very much doubt it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0742Sheff Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Ok then Mr Bandwagon, show me a post where a Liverpool fan on here has said "Liverpool will win the league"! I (a BIG Liverpool fan) have always said that Liverpool WON'T win the league! We simply are not good enough. Man Utd however are like a machine at the minute, and if they don't win the league, i'll post a pic of myself naked, holding an Everton shirt to my mouth with my lips puckered! Do us a favour, don't just say that Liverpool fans always claim that "we will win the league", because quite frankly, there is hardly a Liverpool fan I know that actually believes that this is the case! Calm down Mr.... Bandwagon? Which bandwagon would that be? I have me thoughts towards LFC fans. They're mainly closet man Utd fans. If we were to go through your post count i suspect i would be proven right. As for trawling through every post on here about LFC winning the league. I CBA at this hour but i might be tempted if you rise to the occasion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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