bobbie Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 This is an interesting one, in the 1980s and 1990s, the following was used as a means of fiddling the unemployment. 1) lots of training schemes/companies poped up offering training for the unemployed - now of course, funding for over 19s is cut so unless you need computer skills, or numeracy literacy, theres not alot of option for training. This option can't be used to cut the lists 2) Incapacity, brilliant for hiding a couple of million for the past decade or so, problem is, is there room for more incapacitated able bodied people, to hide the stats ? 3) part time flexible working - this has been used brilliantly by both Labour and Conseravtives. Often sold as offering flexibility, for mainly women and also students. Problem is, is that its even these jobs thats being cut. a 40 hour a week/devided between 3 people is ideal for cutting unemployment lists, however even this is no longer an option 4) Agencys - these were good as they offered little or no job security rights from an employers point of view, however as many of these are being culled, now the next people to lose out will be the people with proper contracts. So by what means could the Government use to cut the lists now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanic99 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 This is an interesting one, in the 1980s and 1990s, the following was used as a means of fiddling the unemployment. 1) lots of training schemes/companies poped up offering training for the unemployed - now of course, funding for over 19s is cut so unless you need computer skills, or numeracy literacy, theres not alot of option for training. This option can't be used to cut the lists 2) Incapacity, brilliant for hiding a couple of million for the past decade or so, problem is, is there room for more incapacitated able bodied people, to hide the stats ? 3) part time flexible working - this has been used brilliantly by both Labour and Conseravtives. Often sold as offering flexibility, for mainly women and also students. Problem is, is that its even these jobs thats being cut. a 40 hour a week/devided between 3 people is ideal for cutting unemployment lists, however even this is no longer an option 4) Agencys - these were good as they offered little or no job security rights from an employers point of view, however as many of these are being culled, now the next people to lose out will be the people with proper contracts. So by what means could the Government use to cut the lists now? Not sure of the point of this thread, are you arguing those 4 things sholdn't be available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeoplesVoice Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 It could introduce a 'flexible New Deal' for the unemployed which would ensure the jobless are mandated to menial labour schemes run by private profit companies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biotechpete Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 They could just employ a massive number of people in the swelling ranks of the local and central government bureaucracy, make education compulsory to the age of 18, tell us that 50% of people should be going to university even though there are no graduate jobs, almost bankrupt the country putting 1000s on incapacity benefit and only tell us the figure for people who are "long term" unemployed. Oh no wait.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbie Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 Not sure of the point of this thread, are you arguing those 4 things sholdn't be available? No - I'm just wondering how this GOvernment will fiddle thw stats this time around, and convince people that unemployment is below a certain figure (the lowest since 197something). Wasn't entirely convinced the unemployement ever went down in the 80s and 90s. I just believe that the above 4 things were used effectively to brainwash the general population, in believeing we were in a boom period. I'm not saying the 4 things should not be available, however you have to accept the 4 things I highlighted certainly fooled Britain over the last 15 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbie Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 They could just employ a massive number of people in the swelling ranks of the local and central government bureaucracy, make education compulsory to the age of 18, tell us that 50% of people should be going to university even though there are no graduate jobs, almost bankrupt the country putting 1000s on incapacity benefit and only tell us the figure for people who are "long term" unemployed. Oh no wait.... That should be millions on incapacity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biotechpete Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Maybe they could create more laws than have been passed in the whole of the 50 years preceding. That way the world would be so complex that litigation would be rife and everybody would be kept in jobs dealing with the mountains of paperwork. What the heck at least it'd give jobs to those thousands of useless lawyers we've trained. Oh no wait done that too. Give me a minute.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbie Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 I do think a government job is the way forward for most people. Yes, it will be a disaster for the country, however from a personal point of view, you will have a pension and relative job security Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phawley Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Best way to actually reduce the unemployment list would be to reduce the retirement age to 60, let the older folk enjoy a longer retirement and free up millions of jobs for younger healthyer workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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