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[HughW]

It has now been suggested by one researcher that documents show that all Beatrice's children were named Easy at the time of their births, which would indicate that as the youngest of Beatrice's children (Jean) was born in the last quarter of 1930

 

These are the entries in the GRO Birth index:

 

MAR Qtr 1925 EASY Gertrude (BROOKS) Sheffield 9c 994

MAR Qtr 1925 NELSON Gertrude (BROOKS) Sheffield 9c 994

MAR Qtr 1927 EASY Walter (BROOKS) Sheffield 9c 977

MAR Qtr 1927 NELSON Walter (BROOKS) Sheffield 9c 977

DEC Qtr 1930 EASY Jean (BROOKS) Sheffield 9c 805

DEC Qtr 1930 NELSON Jean (BROOKS) Sheffield 9c 805

 

It would be interesting to know what the wording is on one of these birth certificates which leads to these double entries.

 

I can't think of any explanation other than that these three are the children of George NELSON born while Beatrice was still married to George EASY. I haven't seen this sort of double entry so early. It is quite common in more recent times when people are less reticent about complicated relationships and family histories.

 

The last of these entries is not in the FreeBMD database yet, which indicates that, in theory, there could be more children (though no other children are known to have survived to adulthood).

 

Chunkyfunky,

As you can see, the dates are *Quarters*, with DEC quarter including October, November and December - so the date given for Walter's birth is consistent with your knowledge.

 

The quarter for your mother's birth also fits, although the year is more of a problem. Do you mind me asking what your mother's married name was?

 

Hugh

[hillsbro]

Good thinking, HughW. I just looked at the marriage index from 1942 onwards, in case Beatrice married George Nelson after George Easy had died in 1942 (as I presume), but after checking the 15 years up to 1957 I found no mention of a Beatrice Easy, and no-one with the surname Easy marrying in Sheffield.

 

As Redfyre wrote (post #36) "I think one way of throwing some light on this mystery is to look at Beatrice's death certificate. Was she, as we think, Beatrice Easy. If so, it could suggest she was married to him ever since 1907"

 

The key to this is Beatrice's death entry/certificate, which would confirm her surname when she died. So far, the only marriage entry we have found for Beatrice was that to George Easy in 1907. Chunkyfunky - do you know roughly when your grandmother died?

[chunkyfunky]

hello hillsbro and Hugh.

My gran died when i was about 11 yrs old, she was around 87 when she died i think, i went to burngreave school then so that would make it 1956/7.they were clearing houses from round there then, slum clearence they said. my gran bought a house on monmouth st and we had the one she bought on fox st until that was compulsory puchased.

[chunkyfunky]

hughw my mothers married name was buckley,her husband was called ronald, he came off woodside lane, they got divorced when i was young, they both remarried.my mother then became nichols,married to him forever he was a lovely dad.5 yrs or so after he died mam met and married a man called fred godhard and 23 months after that she died.

Uncle walt died 2nd december 1991, Aunt Jean died 17th March 1992, and my mom died on the 11th April 1992, a complete family gone in the space of 4 months and are still missed.

[hillsbro]

Hi chunkyfunky - I was a little puzzled by your grandmother's age being "around 87" when she died, as from the births index we know that Beatrice was born in the third quarter of 1889 (and this is confirmed by the 1901 census which gives her age as 11) and so if she died in 1956-7 she would have been much younger than this. However I think I have found the death entry in the index. A Beatrice Easy died in Sheffield in July-Sept. 1959, aged 70 (Vol. 2d, Page 164).

 

So it seems that Beatrice remained married to George Easy from 1907 until she was widowed in 1942 (as it seems from the death record of a George W. Easy in Sheffield in that year) and did not remarry. As she was not legally married to George Nelson, this would explain the double birth entries of the children, as HughW surmised.

 

The death certificate would give the place of death, marital status etc. and could be worth applying for (at the register office - back of the town hall - or on-line via the G.R.O. website).

[HughW]

ChunkyFunky,

 

Thanks for explaining your mothers' names. It must have been a difficult time losing three important people in your life in such a short space of time.

 

Those events were actually a year earlier than the dates you have listed. Walter's death was registered in December 1990 and your mother's in April 1991.

 

By that time the death register includes the date of birth. Gertrude's date of birth is listed as 7 Feb 1925, which agrees with the entry in the birth index I found earlier.

 

The next step would be to search for information about George NELSON. Do we know anything about when or where he was born or when he died? Do you know where Beatrice might be buried? Perhaps she is buried with him.

 

Hugh

[chunkyfunky]

Hi Hugh,

I dont know anything about George Nelson, where or when he was born even.

My grandmother is burried at City Rd cemetry but i do not know with whom she is buried along side. I had 1 sister and 2 brothers who died 2 before i was born and 1 after and i asume they are at City Rd, maybe in the same grave but dont know for sure.

[HughW]

I had a look in some electoral registers. I am guessing that the unfamiliar names in these lists may be lodgers/boarders.

 

1924

78 Macro Street

BROOKES Tamer

BROOKES Charles Harry

BROOKES George

CLOVER John

NELSON George

STOCKS Hedley

 

1929/30

78 Macro Street

BROOKES George

BROOKES Tamer

BROOKES Gertrude

EASY Beatrice

NELSON George

WHITE Ann

WHITE Charles

 

1933/4

78 Macro Street

NELSON George

EASY Beatrice

RINGROSE George

RINGROSE Ethel

UPTON John William

UPTON Sarah Jane

HALLAM Waller

 

1939/40

78 Macro Street

NELSON George

EASY Beatrice

UPTON John William

UPTON Sarah Jane

TIVEY Harry

HALLAM Walter

BLANCHARD James

BLANCHARD Marjorie

HILL George William

MUFF Albert Major

MUFF Lydia

 

1945 (October)

78 Macro Street

EASY Beatrice

NELSON Walter

HAWKHEAD Thomas L

UPTON Jane S

HALLAM Walter

BUCKLEY Ronald

CHAFER Frances

PEMBERTON James A

TIVEY Harry

 

Thoughts -

George NELSON disappeares from this address between 1939/40 and 1945 (he is not in the service register covering this address in 1945).

 

In 1924 George NELSON is with the BROOK(E)S family but without Beatrice, who would have been old enough to vote. Is George a lodger/boarder? Tamer is the head of household in 1924 and 1929/30 - she is the only member of the household with a local vote and also eligible for jury service.

 

Another time I will check 22 Fowler Street, where George Easy was discharged to after his war service. I can say that Kelly's 1922 Directory has Laurence EASY (George's brother) listed for that address.

 

Hugh

[HughW]

Hypothesis - George NELSON died in the period 1939-45.

 

I searched the GRO Death index for those years and found only one George NELSON who died in Sheffield:

 

GRO Deaths DEC Qtr 1940

NELSON George 46y

Sheffield 9c 711

 

Is there any family tradition that he was younger than Beatrice?

 

I considered the possibility that he died in the Blitz but he is not in the published list and I would think such an event would have survived in family memory.

 

His age means he was born c1894. Unfortunately I cannot see a birth that matches exactly.

 

chunkyfunky, when the Archives re-open on December 1st, and if you have no objecton, I will find out where Beatrice is buried in City Road and who is buried with her. This should be straightforward using the published indexes.

 

Hugh

[DUFFEMS]

The only Sheffield birth around that time was:

NELSON George Walter

Dec.Qtr. 1893

Sheffield. 9c. 635

 

Duffems