Freeman of the land

[Darren Polla]

Driver's licence ... permission to conduct commerce using the roads and highways.

 

travelling ... an unalienable right of a man or woman

 

Seems this info is gaining ground everywhere.

 

Anyone know why Constitutional Law was taken out of the corricculum in 1965?

 

So you would no longer know that England is a Sovereign country and cannot be governed by a foreign country/nation.

 

Just a coincidence that Europe has been slowly but surely taking over our country ever since?

[Hallamton]

It's not as if the hypothetical situations I've just asked are rare. There are millions of people who are unable to defend themselves against any sort of crime - so how would they manage without the cooperation of the police? Common law is a fairly sketchy concept at best - I wouldn't say it's the police that uphold common law, it's the CJS who use their discretion to suit each particular case.

 

What about education and healthcare? What would happen if they were to snub your counter offer contract?

 

This is a great discussion, very interesting. I think if you're trying to liberate people in this fashion you should be welcoming the "what ifs" - not many people, for example, would be willing to drive without a license until they find out everything that is possible.

[Yozhik]

It's not as if the hypothetical situations I've just asked are rare. There are millions of people who are unable to defend themselves against any sort of crime - so how would they manage without the cooperation of the police? Common law is a fairly sketchy concept at best - I wouldn't say it's the police that uphold common law, it's the CJS who use their discretion to suit each particular case.

 

What about education and healthcare? What would happen if they were to snub your counter offer contract?

 

This is a great discussion, very interesting. I think if you're trying to liberate people in this fashion you should be welcoming the "what ifs" - not many people, for example, would be willing to drive without a license until they find out everything that is possible.

 

I think you ask some extremely valid questions and definitely issues that need to be discussed.

 

Without answering directly, let me also raise some points to consider

 

You mention education.

For any parent, it is a subject dear to our hearts.

However, what level of education are our children actually receiving now?

Even prior to any of this Freeman ideology, I can honestly say hand on heart, I was already along the road of taking the bold step of home educating my daughter.

 

I do not support the school system that is being served up at the moment.

I do not appreciate the dumbed down curriculum.

The structure, the mandates from upon high, the meddling, the intrusions and the insidious and subtle programming of innocent minds.

 

It smells fishy.

So the question is; are we actually better off without some of these "benefits"?

Sure - having a government (cough) funded education system is "convenient" ... but at what true cost?

 

There are other options ... and when (not if) a freeman society is formed, outside of the unnamed society that (supposedly) everyone belongs to ... there will be REAL options available.

 

This is closer to reality than some may be aware of.

A World Freeman Society is being built, which will also have its own "police force", its own education system, its own insurance alternatives ... even its own travel documents.

[Hallamton]

However, what level of education are our children actually receiving now?

Even prior to any of this Freeman ideology, I can honestly say hand on heart, I was already along the road of taking the bold step of home educating my daughter.

 

I do not support the school system that is being served up at the moment.

I do not appreciate the dumbed down curriculum.

The structure, the mandates from upon high, the meddling, the intrusions and the insidious and subtle programming of innocent minds.

 

It smells fishy.

So the question is; are we actually better off without some of these "benefits"?

Sure - having a government (cough) funded education system is "convenient ... but at what true cost?

 

There are other options ... and when (not if) a freeman society is formed, outside of the unnamed society that (supposedly) everyone belongs to ... there will be REAL options available.

 

 

I'd say having the choice of home education your child is a luxury - one that I'm sure the majority of parents don't have. Although the quality of home education could be better, it may also create problems - for example your child being unexperienced at socialising.

 

I think I'm in slight disagreement with you over education standards. I still think that a lot of education is irrelevant but when I compare my own levels of education to that of my parents, for example, I consider myself to have been fortunate.

 

I think it's also fair to say that in terms of a career, employers will look for recognised qualifications. If this is the case the only hope a child has in terms of fulfilling their potential in life is to gain one of these qualifications. So on that basis, it shouldn't matter whether you're teaching them at home or they're being taught at school - they're still being taught to the same level that the qualification dictates.

 

I think I'm right in saying that the EU doesn't have a common law like the UK does - it's more of a civil law. If you're talking in terms of a future when a "freeman society" exists, what happens if the UK becomes part of the EU. Surely that would be an end to the freeman society?

[Yozhik]

I'd say having the choice of home education your child is a luxury - one that I'm sure the majority of parents don't have. Although the quality of home education could be better, it may also create problems - for example your child being unexperienced at socialising.

 

I think I'm in slight disagreement with you over education standards. I still think that a lot of education is irrelevant but when I compare my own levels of education to that of my parents, for example, I consider myself to have been fortunate.

 

I think it's also fair to say that in terms of a career, employers will look for recognised qualifications. If this is the case the only hope a child has in terms of fulfilling their potential in life is to gain one of these qualifications. So on that basis, it shouldn't matter whether you're teaching them at home or they're being taught at school - they're still being taught to the same level that the qualification dictates.

 

I think I'm right in saying that the EU doesn't have a common law like the UK does - it's more of a civil law. If you're talking in terms of a future when a "freeman society" exists, what happens if the UK becomes part of the EU. Surely that would be an end to the freeman society?

 

Well, first of all, I'm not aware of any limitations in terms of home schooled students sitting external exams. So the argument re: not having qualifications may not be relevant.

 

I specifically write "may not be", because I'm not 100% certain ... but would find it strange if home schooled children were excluded from a national examination.

 

All countries have basic human rights as their foundation.

Most basic common law is based on basic human rights.

 

The EU is indeed a strange beast; hence the UK's movement towards the EU being the subject of treason and sedition.

 

The biggest issue with the EU is that its government is not democratic.

Its members are appointed and therefore govern without a mandate or the consent of the governed.

Its a situation we need to be aware of and must be prepared to take a stand on.

Already we have seen rulings made in UK courts overturned in the EU courts ... so already we have been shown that the shift in power has taken place, without our knowledge or consent.

 

Consent is the key here.

Government only exists with the consent of the governed.

 

The other thing to consider is that when you talk about the UK or the EU ... and then pin it to the survival of the Freeman society, they're not really connected.

What we're talking about are just choices of society.

 

Lets step back for a sec and look at the word society and what it really means.

A society usually has a name.

It usually has members and probably some kind of membership fee or sign up process.

It is usually based on a common interest.

It will probably have an administration group.

It may even have its own language, or in most cases, some society specific jargon at the very least.

The society is usually guided by rules and regulations, which are both known and adhered to, by its members.

 

Think of any society you have joined or are familiar with and most of this is applicable.

The law society is one that springs instantly to my mind.

It has its own entry criteria, fees, language, structure, rules, regulations, etc.

 

Now, entry into a society is voluntary.

So is exit.

 

Rules of one society are not enforceable on another. They are specific to that society.

You'd be hard pressed getting the law society to agree to the rules and regulations of the Sheffield Knitting Society!!

 

The UK is (apparently) a society ... or at least we are constantly told we belong to "society".

And it fits most of the criteria ... fees, language, rules, regulations, administration, etc.

But ... how did we join? ... and ... how do we exit?

 

If I choose to leave and join a different society, I am free to do so.

At which time, I will be governed by the rules and regulations of the society I am a member of.

Sure, its a simplistic view ... but also an easy one to comprehend and a base from which we can ask questions and explore all of the information available.

[Darren Polla]

I think I'm right in saying that the EU doesn't have a common law like the UK does - it's more of a civil law. If you're talking in terms of a future when a "freeman society" exists, what happens if the UK becomes part of the EU. Surely that would be an end to the freeman society?

 

The UK is a private corporation, not a land mass. It is a fiction. The EU is a union of corporations and they too require your consent, and they get it through you consenting to be governed by the polititions. Revoke your consent to the polititions and consent is revoked to the European Union. If it comes to brute force, anyone can make you do something at the barrel of a gun!

[Hallamton]

Well, first of all, I'm not aware of any limitations in terms of home schooled students sitting external exams. So the argument re: not having qualifications may not be relevant.

 

I specifically write "may not be", because I'm not 100% certain ... but would find it strange if home schooled children were excluded from a national examination.

 

I think you missed my point, it probably wasn't worded correctly.

 

If a child who attends school and a child who is home schooled sit the same examination, then would home schooling make much of a difference? It could obviously mean the difference between grades but the actual content will be the same. Therefore a home educated child would need to be taught in the sameway a child who attends school is if they're to gain the qualification.

 

Again, being a freeman might conflict with being able to take national examinations. National examinations are for members of society. Would it not be plausible for educational authorities to deny a child the right to sit an exam if they do not belong to the society?

[Hallamton]

The UK is a private corporation, not a land mass. It is a fiction. The EU is a union of corporations and they too require your consent. If it comes to brute force, anyone can make you do something at the barrel of a gun!

 

So am I right in saying that in the UK, although it isn't advertised, anyone is able to become a freeman without much conflict - so - If the UK were to join the EU, a potential freeman would find it more problematic to become "liberated" and may even have to use brute force? Wouldn't the EU have the right to deport anyone who didn't follow civil law?

[Treatment]

I can say no more than I am sat here with my left trouser leg rolled up, and my right breast bared.

[Darren Polla]

So am I right in saying that in the UK, although it isn't advertised, anyone is able to become a freeman without much conflict - so - If the UK were to join the EU, a potential freeman would find it more problematic to become "liberated" and may even have to use brute force? Wouldn't the EU have the right to deport anyone who didn't follow civil law?

 

So you know the EU is a fascist dictatorship by wanting to 'deport' anyone who doesn't agree with it. The education system that you think is all so much more important than homeschooling is dumbing kids down, and by the time they are grown up, physically only, they believe eveything polititions tell them, including the 'bull****' that they have to abide by the European Union. If they don't conform they will be deported, to what fate one can only guess. That's the education system for you, indoctrinating kids to submit to fascism.

 

This is why home schooling is far better than state corporatised education. At least at home you can teach your kids to be free thinkers. Schools won't do that for anyone!

 

The problem is not the EU. The problem is with the polititions over here pretending that we need the EU. It's good for us. Yeah right!