So who is the worst Prime Minister ever?

[HeadingNorth]

There might never have been a right to have a job, but there certainly should be one.

 

What should be and what is physically possible are often two different things. There cannot, nor could there ever be, a right to have a job.

[Titanic99]

What should be and what is physically possible are often two different things. There cannot, nor could there ever be, a right to have a job.

 

I don't agree, it is not beyond the combined capabilities of us all to produce a society that provides the opportunity to work for those able to work, to do so.

 

This may come in the form of those in work reducing their hours to accomodate those out of work.

[wednesday1]

There never was a right to have a job, nor could there be. It was exactly that thinking that led Britain into the God-awful disastrous mess that Thatcher inherited, and it was only thanks to the painful medicine she dished out that we ever recovered from it.

 

When you force a six-year-old to take disgusting medicine in order to cure his terminal diseases, you don't expect him to thank you for it; but it's depressing to know that even after twenty years, so many adults are still acting the same way.

 

Bunkum! Sheffield has never recovered from it. The mass unemployment she created was only financed by North seal oil. Thatcher inherited a difficuit situation but she made it much, much worse.

 

Of course nobody has a devine right to a job, jobs have to be justified.But look at social cost of thowing tens of thousands of people out on to the scrap heap at the same time with no alternatives.

Other European countries had similar propblems but their govts supported them, that's why we have a tin pot services economy today whilst in their countries they have a more balanced economy.

[Uptowngirl]

'.....in a city like Sheffield where Maggie is reviled for defeating the miners'.

 

 

This is Sheffield not blinking Baaarnsley! She was reviled for shutting the city's industries down. Most of the closure happened between 1980 and 1984

which happened before the miners were defeated anyway.

 

Ah. My appologies. I haven't quite got used to the village mentality around here. I come from a part of the word where people don't all walk to work.

 

So Sheffield didn't have miners? Why did Scargill move his headquarters here then?

[wednesday1]

Ah. My appologies. I haven't quite got used to the village mentality around here. I come from a part of the word where people don't all walk to work.

 

So Sheffield didn't have miners? Why did Scargill move his headquarters here then?

 

 

You don't need to apologise for that dear, but do for being factually wrong in that Thatcher was extremely unpopular in Sheffield LONG before the miners strike. Remember the scenes when the old hag came to the Cutlers Hall in 1981?!

 

The no of miners in Sheff at that time was completely insignificant to the number employed in the steel industry and engineering industries. I think I'm correct in saying that the closest pit to Sheffield at the time was Treeton (Rotherham). There HAD been many pits in Sheffield in previous decades (eg Tinsley Park colliery).

The British Steel Coproration used to have it's HQ iin Albert Embankment London, don't know of many steel customers or steel workers down there though! so I don't know why the NUM moved it's HQ to Sheff, but it certainly WASN'T because there were thousands of miners in Sheffield:loopy:

[Uptowngirl]

You don't need to apologise for that dear, but do for being factually wrong in that Thatcher was extremely unpopular in Sheffield LONG before the miners strike. Remember the scenes when the old hag came to the Cutlers Hall?!

 

The no of miners in Sheff at that time was completely insignificant to the number employed in the steel industry and engineering industries. I think I'm correct in saying that the closest pit to Sheffield at the time was Treeton (Rotherham). There HAD been many pits in Sheffield in previous decades (eg Tinsley Park colliery).

The British Steel Coproration used to have it's HQ iin Albert Embankment London, don't know of many steel customers or steel workers down there though! so I don't know why the NUM moved it's HQ to Sheff, but it certainly WASN'T because there were thousands of miners in Sheffield:loopy:

 

I wasn't apologising for anything sonny boy.

It is interesting though that the pits were in obvious decline and closing, by your own admission long before Thatcher.

I see that you have mastered the use of the loopy. What a shame you haven't mastered the art of explaining why the miners moved their headquarters to Sheffield if Sheffield had no miners.

 

I am from Cornwall not Yorkshire, and I find it interesting that in a city where Labour polled more than 3 times the Tory vote that so many of the population think Brown is the worst PM this country has had.

 

Please carry on with the patronising attitude to a mere out of town girl. At least it lets the forum see what people still back the loser.

[wednesday1]

I wasn't apologising for anything sonny boy.

It is interesting though that the pits were in obvious decline and closing, by your own admission long before Thatcher.

I see that you have mastered the use of the loopy. What a shame you haven't mastered the art of explaining why the miners moved their headquarters to Sheffield if Sheffield had no miners.

 

I am from Cornwall not Yorkshire, and I find it interesting that in a city where Labour polled more than 3 times the Tory vote that so many of the population think Brown is the worst PM this country has had.

 

Please carry on with the patronising attitude to a mere out of town girl. At least it lets the forum see what people still back the loser.

 

 

My bold

1) Explains a few things oooaahhh! (ONE p in apologies fgs)

 

2) I have explained it, can you tell me which pits all these miners worked at then worzel?

[studentbob]

What should be and what is physically possible are often two different things. There cannot, nor could there ever be, a right to have a job.

 

So, by your logic, it is ok for people to be unemployed, is it not? And what happens to these people? Do we support them? Do we give them the means to continue to live with dignity in a society whose economic system has deemed them to be worthless? Or do we demonise them for being lazy scroungers?

[Titanic99]

I see that you have mastered the use of the loopy. What a shame you haven't mastered the art of explaining why the miners moved their headquarters to Sheffield if Sheffield had no miners.

 

I am from Cornwall not Yorkshire, and I find it interesting that in a city where Labour polled more than 3 times the Tory vote that so many of the population think Brown is the worst PM this country has had.

 

 

I'm not sure that whether or not Sheffield had any miners has any relevance to the thread, I do know however that if you are using this poll as a representation of how people will vote in Sheffield then you are seriously mistaken.

 

As I've said before, you can look back through the thread (and many others) and you will struggle to see anyone who will explain why they think Brown is so bad.

 

But perhaps you'd like to explain this to us given your comment about him being such a loser.

[CheekyBandit]

Thatcher had something Brown & Company have never had, and never will.. Respect!

 

She never got any respect from me (AND NEVER WILL) as I hated the stupid cow. My hatred was echoed in my thoughts of the time - which I can't say here.