The new Islam megathread part 3

[pem123]

Which is what you were implying.

 

How's that then dude? Own me

[Wildcat]

Which is what you were implying.

 

Well done for bringing the debate to the level of the school playground with pointless attacks on Pem123 rather uncharmingly claiming to 'own' her.

 

Perhaps rather than try to distract the debate on pety pedantry you could deal with the claim that his parents blamed the BNP's influence for his actions? or you could deal with some of the other examples of BNP support for terrorism. I say some there are plenty of others including inviting someone convicted and imprisoned for there part in the bombing of Bologna train station killing 85 people to be a speaker at this years annual jamboree.

 

He did, but his parents amongst others blamed his involvement with the BNP for exposing him to the views that led to his terrorist actions.

 

Other examples include Lambertus Nieuwhorf (spelt something like that) who has a conviction for attemtped bombing of a Catholic School. (Although admittedly he joined the BNP after that event.)

 

Tony Lecomber who has convictions for explosives after his pipebomb went off on the way to bombing WRP offices, he also has a conviction for a racist assault on a Jewish person on London underground.

 

And more recently BNP candidate Robert Cottage, imprisoned for possessing weapons and bomb making equipment, in preperation for a Civil War.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/6923933.stm

 

And it shouldn't be forgotten the BNP set up C-18.

[Aim4]

Well done for bringing the debate to the level of the school playground with pointless attacks on Pem123 rather uncharmingly claiming to 'own' her.

 

Perhaps rather than try to distract the debate on pety pedantry you could deal with the claim that his parents blamed the BNP's influence for his actions? or you could deal with some of the other examples of BNP support for terrorism. I say some there are plenty of others including inviting someone convicted and imprisoned for there part in the bombing of Bologna train station killing 85 people to be a speaker at this years annual jamboree.

 

Maybe his parents were blaming the BNP for his actions to mask their own failings, just like LibLabCon blame the BNP for stirring up racial tensions to mask their failings also.

[Wildcat]

Maybe his parents were blaming the BNP for his actions to mask their own failings, just like LibLabCon blame the BNP for stirring up racial tensions to mask their failings also.

 

The BNP are master's at scapegoating others and playing the victim. They even printed a nonsense story about a racist horse not so long ago.

 

It is not just LibLabCon that blame the BNP for stirring up racial tensions, everyone knows the BNP stir up racial tensions.

[Linesman]

Do you see what you're doing Linesman? Exactly the same as you would accuse Muslims of doing, making excuses for the mistakes we've made in this conflict, rather than accepting and apologising for them, which was partly the point I was making in the post you responded to.

 

Whether Saddam murdered thousands of innocents or not, that doesnt justify anyone joining in and doing the same or mean that the people of that region should accept it because they're used to it. Nor do the mistakes we made in these regions mean we as British people have to wear a hair shirt about it either.

 

Serapis was previously seeking condemnation from Muslims for the terrorist atrocities committed by Muslims, Im sure if they entered the discussion by saying 'ah, but there were Christians killing other Christians in the British Isles up until 10 years ago (the Irish conflict)', that we would be united in laughing them down.

 

The biggest mistake the coalition made was not using the existing Iraqi security forces once Saddam was ejected, Blair wanted to but the US vetoed it.

This policy proved extremenly successful at the end of WWII when Japanese POWs in the conquered islands (Philipines etc) were kept in place under close supervision.

Saddam was a despot with evil intentions hundreds of thousands of muslims are alive today because of his removal.

 

Christians were killing Christains in name only not practising, only a minority of the UK population follow the teachings of the Christian churh.

[Linesman]

I would say that if British Muslims choose to condemn acts of terrorism it's entirely up to them as individuals and shouldn't reflect on their patriotism or their private reflections on terrorism.

 

The muslim terrorists claim to be acting for Allah, their final shout of 'Allah Snack Bar' is enough for the muslim community to openly condem them.

Why aren't the muslim community holding protest parades carying posters saying Not In My Name each time a muslim carries out such an atrocity as a busy market suicide bombing?

[boyfriday]

The muslim terrorists claim to be acting for Allah, their final shout of 'Allah Snack Bar' is enough for the muslim community to openly condem them.

Why aren't the muslim community holding protest parades carying posters saying Not In My Name each time a muslim carries out such an atrocity as a busy market suicide bombing?

 

Well if they want to that's entirely a matter for them, just as whether you choose to protest about the innocent civilian deaths in Iraq & Afghanistan caused by British military action, is a matter for you.

[pem123]

The muslim terrorists claim to be acting for Allah, their final shout of 'Allah Snack Bar' is enough for the muslim community to openly condem them.

Why aren't the muslim community holding protest parades carying posters saying Not In My Name each time a muslim carries out such an atrocity as a busy market suicide bombing?

 

How do you know they aren't? Do you regularly check out Islamic news and papers?

 

If they were, the likes of the Mail, Sun and BBC wouldn't report it

[boyfriday]

The biggest mistake the coalition made was not using the existing Iraqi security forces once Saddam was ejected, Blair wanted to but the US vetoed it.

This policy proved extremenly successful at the end of WWII when Japanese POWs in the conquered islands (Philipines etc) were kept in place under close supervision.

Saddam was a despot with evil intentions hundreds of thousands of muslims are alive today because of his removal.

 

Christians were killing Christains in name only not practising, only a minority of the UK population follow the teachings of the Christian churh.

 

That's all well and good, but to the Muslim child or parent in Afghanistan it would sound like an excuse rather than condemnation of the action that partly created their current circumstances.

 

I'm not debating whether the military action is valid or ill conceived, simply looking at it from the perspective of the Afghani people and whether they wonder if British people support this campaign or condemn it.

[Plain Talker]

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Christians were killing Christains in name only not practising, only a minority of the UK population follow the teachings of the Christian churh.

 

Dear God! How dense can one person be?

 

Are you seriously trying to persuade us that the atrocities committed by Christian on Christian aren't an issue because the people carrying them out are only nominal? (or is it that the people on the receiving end of the carnage and mayhem are the nominals?)

 

An atrocity is an atrocity whether the person carrying it out is white, black, yellow, brown or Sky-blue-pink-with-yellow-dots... Muslim, Christian, Jew polytheist, or atheist... terrorism, and terrorist acts are to be condemned.

 

it doesn't matter whether a person is a practising, or nominal (*insert faith or moral code here*) they still have the right to live in peace, without the threat of death hanging over them.