Penistone999 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I think the proposal that's being campaigned for is to have a half hourly shuttle service back and forth along a single line. Still not cheap of course but with an associated P+R facility at the new development it'd bring big benefits to people in the area (not just Stocksbridge/Deepcar itself but the surrounding areas too), and help to reduce traffic into the city. Maybe one day it'll happen, maybe not, would be great through. Its a good idea because the line runs right next to the shopping centre. ---------- Post added 21-06-2016 at 22:43 ---------- Laying track never is, but for the most part it wouldn't be too much hassle to add in an extra track. (This is in comparison to laying fresh track in may other areas of the city) The only obstacle would be the connection to Middlewood Road, which would in effect force the council to sort out the traffic issues at that end of town. The biggest problem would probably be widening the area next to the existing track to take a second one. A lot of the single track now has woodland very close on both sides ,so a lot of work would be required before a second track could be added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 How much did it cost building the extension out to Rotherham?? Did many in Sheffield actually want that? The cost of the tram train trial was estimated at £58m. It's a government funded trial of tram train vehicles and how they run on both heavy rail and tram tracks, doesn't matter whether anyone in Sheffield wants it or not. ---------- Post added 21-06-2016 at 23:26 ---------- The biggest problem would probably be widening the area next to the existing track to take a second one. A lot of the single track now has woodland very close on both sides ,so a lot of work would be required before a second track could be added. I'd think your biggest problem might be finding potentially hundreds of millions of pounds to fund an extension of the tram out to Stocksbridge. Nottingham recently estimated a potential four mile long extension of their tram at £168m and it's about seven miles from current tram terminus to Stocksbridge, so you might well think it would cost maybe double that to run the tram out there. Last year Nottingham opened a couple of extensions which added just over 10 miles to their system and it cost them £570m. Nottingham fund their contributions to these costs via a workplace parking levy, which is essentially a tax on business car parks (which the employers often pass on to their employees). Are we up for that in Sheffield to fund tram extensions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penistone999 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 The cost of the tram train trial was estimated at £58m. It's a government funded trial of tram train vehicles and how they run on both heavy rail and tram tracks, doesn't matter whether anyone in Sheffield wants it or not. ---------- Post added 21-06-2016 at 23:26 ---------- I'd think your biggest problem might be finding potentially hundreds of millions of pounds to fund an extension of the tram out to Stocksbridge. Nottingham recently estimated a potential four mile long extension of their tram at £168m and it's about seven miles from current tram terminus to Stocksbridge, so you might well think it would cost maybe double that to run the tram out there. Last year Nottingham opened a couple of extensions which added just over 10 miles to their system and it cost them £570m. Nottingham fund their contributions to these costs via a workplace parking levy, which is essentially a tax on business car parks (which the employers often pass on to their employees). Are we up for that in Sheffield to fund tram extensions? Surely a Train running out to Stocksbridge would be a lot cheaper than a tram extension, although still costly ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Surely a Train running out to Stocksbridge would be a lot cheaper than a tram extension, although still costly ? Heavy rail costs even more than light rail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vwkittie Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 If anyone is interested in the campaign for the Stocksbridge passenger railway, there's a lot more information, including a feasibility study which seems to mention initial costs of 4.3 million, here: http://donvalleyrailway.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 doesn't matter whether anyone in Sheffield wants it or not. Ha ha how very typical of our government. Is it not a similar setup to whats used in Manchester then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Ha ha how very typical of our government. Is it not a similar setup to whats used in Manchester then? Why would it matter? We aren't paying for it, we don't have to use it, although I'm sure that a lot of people will anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Is it not a similar setup to whats used in Manchester then? No, it isn't. Manchester just have trams. Tram-trains are not in use anywhere in the UK, that's why the government want to do a trial to establish how they affect the existing heavy rail and light rail infrastructure (like do they cause extra wear to rails and points etc). The trial was originally intended to be carried out on the Penistone Line, but was moved to the Sheffield to Rotherham line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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