Who is highest ranking taekwondo person in south yorkshire

[markas1]

dear marcas1

 

I have not been disparaging towards the BTA - but it's my opinion that it is very unlikely to grow in any capacity. Judging by the leecheekin website, there does not appear to be many member clubs. I would say that it has dwindled considerably since the late 1980's, not just the past decade.

 

the advantages you mention about your club are no different to any tkd club I have trained at (including BTA, BTF, BTCB).

 

Regarding training costs at btcb clubs in yorkshire - normally between 3 to 5 quid per lesson. licence is 28 quid per year.

 

regards

 

mode101

 

Mode101

I must admit the website is poor & not updated regularly. The Guy who controls it has been very sick recently & nobody else seems to be able to maintain it!(bad excuse really) but LCK has never really needed to advertise or promote itself to continue in size. We currently have about 50 participating members at Mexborough from 6 to 60 years old, which is a fair size.

Training costs are £3.50 for a 2 hour session

Membership is £5/year(includes badge & license)

Insurance is £10/year optional (includes WAKO license)

I have just graded to Red belt & received cerificate,belt & commerative medal for a total cost of £15..............now thats value.

[ox ma]

What mode 101 is saying is correct the BTCB are the sole governing body for WTF Olympic Taekwondo.

The fast track for 2012 is open to all combat arts which are kicking orientated

See Link

http://www.uksport.gov.uk/pages/fighting_chance/

[themadrev]

Grappling is an effective sport but not self defence - who would want to be rolling around on west street in the rain when you could knock some one out stood up ? the other disadvantage would be if his mates stepped in whilst you were rolling around on the floor .

Grappling = a good sport but not an efective self defence .

stand up is where you want to be in the street !!

 

The thing about being a good grappler is that you can stop the fight ending up with you rolling around West Street on the ground. A lot of pure strikers don't know how to cope with even the most uneducated rugby type tackle. Most of the grapplers I train with also train thai and/or boxing. For me that is a great combination which is why my son goes to Gracie Barra and the Wicker!

[Carcass]

Beat me to it, madrev! If you can already strike, learning to keep the fight standing is vital. Also the idea that grappling doesn't work on the street was put to bed by the Brazilians 30 years ago. Most street fights end up on the floor, regardless of intent and the man who can escape to his feet while controlling his opponent will win.

[ant7]

Yep to train in both would give you a better advantage on the street - if only there were more days in the week and my wife was more understanding lol

[Grappler]

Grappling is an effective sport but not self defence - who would want to be rolling around on west street in the rain when you could knock some one out stood up ? the other disadvantage would be if his mates stepped in whilst you were rolling around on the floor .

Grappling = a good sport but not an efective self defence .

stand up is where you want to be in the street !!

 

In a one on one situation then grappling is effective, just look at the early UFC's, before they introduced a lot of rules, in the first 3 UFC's the only rules (as far as I remember) were "no eye gouging and no intentional groin shots". You could head-butt, use elbows, knees, fists, just about anything and the winner was always Royce Gracie, the smallest man in the competition.

 

Good stand up is always going to be your best bet, and there is no substitute for having real stopping power in a punch, but grappling does have its place on the street as well.

 

One last thing, I can vouch for Andy Hill and the Pilsung club as I trained there to get my Black Belt in TKD and I can also vouch for Simon Green as I started training TKD with him years ago. Both good people.

 

For good all round training I can also recommend Richard down at Sheffield Shootfighters, a good MMA trainer.

 

Merry Christmas to all.

[redsarg]

I used to train in Wing Chun as this suited my leg/knee problems due to minimal kicks. Weight was never a disadvantage & sometimes was an advantage as more awkward to put down. My Sifu wsa from the Ian Orr/Robert Chueng line which went back via Bruce Lee & Ip Man.

The Art was adapted to incorporate more body structure by Alan Orr & Aikido & BJJ mixed in to be the ultimate close combat Art, for competion,streetfighting or self defence. Alan Orr also formed a MMA team Iron Wolves for competition & now fights under the banner of Xth Legion.

Unfortunately I had to stop. 1 through illness, 2 cos I was getting the *****e kicked out of me regularly!!!

I find TKD is good for me, but I cant last much more than 5 minutes sparring before I am too knackered!!!!!

 

hi markas you are right about Roy he is a 7th dan. He I believe has done all his gradings under the expert eye of master Tony Quigley. So I cant see how someone can say that he is a yellow belt. Do you think master Tony would let such a thing go NO I dont either. Im glad you have found a style that suits you. tkd is an awesome art its good you have found a good club and you are very proud of what you and your son have achieved,I have found most people that train in tkd as very approachable and willing to help I suppose you get the odd ones but I have made alot of freinds in the art.

it does not matter to me if you are b.t.a/btcb/ukta or what you are I think if you take time out to wear the debok and train and enjoy it great stuff.

[markas1]

RedSarg,

I totally agree with you regarding different clubs & associations. If you take the time & put in the effort then you will reap the rewards.

At OUR club, the family atmosphere & the dedicated instruction is bringing through a great new crop of Black Belts in the last 6 months & the next to come.

 

Looks like no training tomorrow due to the weather & also my knee is killing me after last nights short sparring session!!

[tkdboy]

How can GrandMaster Tony Quigley 7th dan grade Roy Kilner to 7th Dan?

It would have to be a 8th or 9th dan who graded Roy Kilner.

I think Roy Kilner was awarded 7th dan by Mark Trents OWN "association" U.F.K.K.A. I read it on a website. The UFKKA is not an official Taekwondo body such as Chungdokwan or "Kukkiwon" World Taekwondo Headquarters.

[RobWenban]

Hello All

 

I have read this thread having 'googled' Taekwondo and felt compelled to respond. Before I start, I would just like to point out my credentials to help alleviate any negative thoughts regarding my authenticity....I have been training in Tae Kwon-Do since 1977 and I am currently a 6th Dan (WTF). I have trained under Grand Master Tony Quigley and can personally vouch that whatever grades people wish to give themselves he will always be Number 1, as all the top Masters who trained under him will and do testify!

 

I have trained under virtually all of the best Masters not just in Yorkshire, but the Country as a whole; including Masters: Craig Waddington, Peter Southall, Gary Sykes, Martin Baker, Steve Hinds to name just a few....not to mention the occaisional semiars held by Grandmaster Shin, Kim Yong Ho, Professors from Korea et al.

 

I have also instructed TKD whilst in the RAF and also 'Unarmed Combat' too. I have studied other martial arts in order to improve my TKD, but not to any significant level.

 

TKD has evolved significantly over the last forty years. Initially, it was very basic and then around 1980 started to improve through the development started by the then 3rd Dan, Tony Quigley, originally with the UKTA. The British Association of Korean Martial Arts (BAKMA) was the TKD governing body then and all martial arts had to certificate themselves with the Martial Arts Commision (MAC). At that time TKD was almost Karate with Korean terminology. The Korean government then decided to grab some of the martial arts euphoria (generated by iconic films of the time ie Bruce Lee's 'Enter the Dragon'). As such, TKD in the UK started to become more influenced by Korean nationals such as Steve Lee, Vincent Ceong and Fred Lee...all had in their times been fantastic exponents of the ART. We even had to learn a brand new set of patterns...out were the old Pal Geuys and in came the Kukkiwon created Taegeuks......However, the art was fast becomming a sport....with fighting taking the lead......the sessions I 'survived' throughout the 80s were brutal to say the least. During the 90s and after several legal cases the sport fighting side became more and more 'professional'....Pads and suits became far better....training was modern and specialised.....competitions were massive events and scoring, coaching etc all improved.......Many clubs were fast becomming 'fighting schools'. Some have excelled and become famous across the world ie Gary Sykes, Kathy Hook, Kenny Walton, Kim Stones and Pete Adamson to name just a few....some have even developed weapon systems such as the excellent Master Any Blinston. The Kukkiwon took more and more control of TKD. Becomming the leading light above the orginal founder and Supreme Grand Master General Choi......whose next generation of Grand Masters such as GM Rhee are just phenomenal....and also based in the USA.

 

The Olympics were given to Seoul and as such Korea focussed upon developing the fighting along ABA lines in order to get it into the Olympics....it was a demonstration sport in Barcelona and was indeed in the Korea Olympics and ever since....raising the profile of the art into a sport.

 

What am I trying to say? Basically that we have come a long, long way and although the TKD that I studied as a boy gave me the mind set and basic techniques that I still have today....it is a shadow of the excellent work that goes on every day today in the 21st Century.

 

I had been looking out for GM Tony Quigley in order to try and train with him again for the last decade....and it was merely by chance that I found him from the 'Scorpions' and 'Lee Chee Kin' website....as such I went to Mexbrough hoping to train with him again and take my 6th Dan.....As an avid Star Wars fan I couldn't get the image of Luke going to Dagoba to search for and train with Yoda.....I know cliche hey..and I'm hardly Luke....but you get the jist! It would be nice to finish what I started with Tony and a great instructor called George Perrin.

 

Well, I went and discovered a real gem of a club, truely upholding all the TKD family values.....one could even say that it is 'traditional'. Tony kindly trained me and graded me to 6th Dan......Although still a stern task master, Tony has a big heart and was upset by the news that my mother had passed away when he had asked about her...Tony had graded my mum to 1st Dan in 1980....the whole day was a real tear-jerker!!! emotional to say the least.

 

I have tried all my life to steer away from the politics that surround TKD, focusing instead upon developing my knowledge, skills and understanding, becoming a good black belt and instructor and more recently trying to be a good Master, passing on what I have learnt to those Dan grades who wish me to help them.

 

I have only known GM Kilner for nine months, but I find him to be extremely knowledgable in TKD and is quite simply a real gentleman and father to all in his association.....which is still the BTA....still kicking...still going after the proliferation of the art and splitting of Masters into their own organisings....diluting all in turn.

 

I do not know Roy's history, however he was graded to 7th Dan by Tony and counter-signed by Fred Lee......as such I would never question it's authenticity....I even believe that Roy is now eligible for his 8th Dan and good luck to him.

 

Tony should really by a 9th Dan anyway...several years ago, but fell out with most of the beuracrats in charge of the governing bodies at some stage.....including his friend Fred Lee....as such he was never officially (Kukkiwon) recognised as a 9th Dan....however, I firmly believe as an entire body we should give him the title regardless......perhaps the ultimate honour of 10th Dan!

 

I will always hold in my mind's eye the image of Tony chopping two bricks in half out of someones palms when I took my 1st Dan in 1980!!!! he was a 4th Dan then.........hmmmmmmmm.....leathal!

 

Hope that helps.

 

I wish you all good health and fortune. Keep training and keep the faith.

 

Rob Wenban