Alcohol should be banned

[Halibut]

You're daft you aren't you?

 

I would have to see cannabis after it has been legal for a while in order to compare.

 

All the evidence (yeah, I must be a nonce if I consider things like evidence) would suggest that if it were legal, the numbers of teens using it woud fall.

[DragonofAna]

All the evidence (yeah, I must be a nonce if I consider things like evidence) would suggest that if it were legal, the numbers of teens using it woud fall.

 

What evidence - as in what Facts - do you have that show it would definitely fall if it was legalised?

[ruffkru]

Sorry ruffkru but I totally disagree with you. I am sure that there has been a debate which included banning cars - though it was probably not a serious debate.

Sometimes analogies are pretty useless, and that is one that has been used three times on this single thread and is definitely useless.

Do you undergo expensive and extensive training to drink a pint or ten? Do you have to take a test and get a licence in order to drink? Do you start off your night with full awareness of the risks involved and act accordingly as car drivers tend to do? I could go on but there's not much point if silly analogies are going to be thrown in as arguments for or against.

 

Ask most tearaways if you can stop one, if they bother with statutory tests/licences or insurance, a car/bike can kill the same as a gun, why ban pleasured items because of irresponsibility.

 

Just bacause some pillock can not stomach his ale. Why take away my right to drink alcohol, even though I only drink at the most specialist occassions, 3 times per year at best.

[ormester101]

Is anyone able to give me a convincing argument against the need for a ban of alcoholic beverages?

 

Teenagers in the UK are more likely than any others to get drunk (Source)which has an established link to our record levels of teenage pregnancy (Source)

 

Almost 10,000 deaths each year are as a direct result of alcohol, with many more where it's a factor (Source). There are around 15,000 new cases of alcohol related liver disease every year (Source) and it's blamed for many other illnesses, including a recent rise in oral cancers (Source)

 

Crime levels linked to alcohol are huge, with around 1 million violent assaults each year by people under the influence (Source). One in Six road deaths are due to drunk driving, with over 100,000 drivers per year guilty of this offence (Source).

 

Throw in the link between unemployment and alcohol (Source) and there's not much to defend it.

 

There are food additives or pesticides banned because of the most remote links to various illnesses, and there are plenty of other previously legal recreational substances which have later been banned, so who can convince me that there are good reasons not to ban alcohol?

 

so what about the jobs in the pub trade then another thousands of people out of work ?

[Phanerothyme]

so what about the jobs in the pub trade then another thousands of people out of work ?

 

They're disappearing anyway - most booze is now bought in the supermarket.

[Cyclone]

It looks like you didn't bother to learn anything about the subject DoA, you just continued your argument on the basis that some people might be violent when drunk and some people are sick in the street when drunk.

 

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13217973.300-science-is-a-tipple-really-good-for-your-heart.html

 

Start with that, and for more articles try

 

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=S40&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&channel=s&q=site%3Awww.newscientist.com+moderate+drinkers+healthier&meta=&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

 

that.

 

Moderate drinking is better for your health than not drinking or excessive drinking (which is the worst for your health unsurprisingly).

[DragonofAna]

It looks like you didn't bother to learn anything about the subject DoA, you just continued your argument on the basis that some people might be violent when drunk and some people are sick in the street when drunk.

 

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13217973.300-science-is-a-tipple-really-good-for-your-heart.html

 

Start with that, and for more articles try

 

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=S40&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&channel=s&q=site%3Awww.newscientist.com+moderate+drinkers+healthier&meta=&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

 

that.

 

Moderate drinking is better for your health than not drinking or excessive drinking (which is the worst for your health unsurprisingly).

 

Wondered when you would show up. Not surprised once halibut had posted - was just a matter of time.

I did not bother to learn about the subject. As far as conversations with you are concerned I never bother to learn about any subject. Hey - whatever. I responded to the OP in that I would like a ban. I do not see any way it would work or could realistically be imposed. I gave my reasons for wanting a ban. My reasons. They do not have to fit your sense of what is right. They are mine.

 

Jobs a good un.

[Cyclone]

Wasn't I posting on here several days ago? You're just upset that I don't have time to continually monitor threads to help you out.

 

Your reasons are based on ignorance, demonstrated by the fact that you didn't believe that moderate drinking was good for your health.

Now you've been partially enlightened, have another think about it.

 

Personally, I like to have opinions, but I like to base them on something I can use to explain and justify them, that way I can expect other people to take them seriously, rather than dismiss them out of hand as the rantings of an ignoramus.

[millhouses24]

Just out of interest, I wonder how many people would be out of a relationship if alcohol didn't exist.

 

Isn't it an essential part of British mating culture that we can't talk to the opposite sex without the confidence boost of a few units inside us?

[Grandad.Malky]

Great idea but then again …………………. haven’t the Americans tried it,

 

Many social problems have been attributed to the Prohibition era. Mafia groups limited their activities to gambling and theft until 1920, when organized bootlegging manifested in response to the effect of Prohibition.[17] A profitable, often violent, black market for alcohol flourished. Powerful gangs corrupted law enforcement agencies, leading to racketeering. Stronger liquor surged in popularity because its potency made it more profitable to smuggle.

 

To prevent bootleggers from using industrial ethyl alcohol to produce illegal beverages, the government ordered the poisoning of industrial alcohols. In response, bootleggers hired chemists who successfully renatured the alcohol to make it drinkable. As a response, the Treasury Department required manufacturers to add more deadly poisons, including the particularly deadly methyl alcohol. New York City medical examiners prominently opposed these policies because of the danger to human life. As many as 10,000 people died from drinking denatured alcohol before Prohibition ended.[18]

 

Making alcohol at home was very common during Prohibition. Stores sold grape concentrate with warning labels that listed the steps that should be avoided to prevent the juice from fermenting into wine. Home-distilled hard liquor was referred to as “bathtub gin” in northern cities, and moonshine in the rural areas of North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia and Tennessee. These individuals transported the alcohol to eager customers in other towns and cities