DragonofAna Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Medical records are not part of the ID Cards scheme or National Identity Register, or relevant to this thread. There is a separate project to computerise medical records. Easy - get a CitizenCard. It costs £10 not £30 (going up to £60) You don't have to give your fingerprints You don't have to renew your fingerprints (at your cost) every ten years. You won't get fined £1000 if you forget to tell CitizenCard each time you change address (even for college) The data isn't accessible to hundreds of thousands of individuals and private companies. Keep your identity safe by safeguarding it yourself. Not by handing it to the government! The government probably have all your details on record somewhere anyhow. They probably know how often you go to the toilet. Your information is available now for anyone who has a need to find it (and the know how, of course). I am still supporting ID cards. Dragon of Ana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrence Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Does not matter how careful you are if someone else who has your information is not also careful. Not sure what the problem is with ID cards For the answer to the second sentence, see the first sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodens Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Medical records are not part of the ID Cards scheme or National Identity Register, or relevant to this thread. There is a separate project to computerise medical records. Easy - get a CitizenCard. It costs £10 not £30 (going up to £60) You don't have to give your fingerprints You don't have to renew your fingerprints (at your cost) every ten years. You won't get fined £1000 if you forget to tell CitizenCard each time you change address (even for college) The data isn't accessible to hundreds of thousands of individuals and private companies. Keep your identity safe by safeguarding it yourself. Not by handing it to the government! Anyone who thinks personal information won't be sold on for financial gain is living in cloud-cuckoo-land. Gordon Brown will be rubbing his grasping, clunking hands at the prospect already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonofAna Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Surely the point with most of you is this feeling you have that your personal information is not already available to anyone who really wants to access it - and with the knowledge many people have on acquiring it already. From the moment your birth is registered you become a statistic and from then on the powers that be start gathering information about you - medical records; dental records; credit records; where you live; what you buy - and so on. All this is available. So what are you worried about really? Dragon of Ana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrence Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 So what are you worried about really? That's answered several times already on this thread and on the No2ID link provided. Having all the data in one place makes it very easy to compromise. Having bits scattered around makes it much more difficult to compromise to any great extend and also leaves an audit trail. The best approach is therefore to tell organisations only what they need to know and to not have one single point of failure. You really have the argument back-to-front. It's not for people to say why they don't want it; it's for the government to make a good case for it. If there was a good reason, they would have said by now. They haven't. They flip from thing to thing, desperately claiming the ID card is a solution. Each time they are shown to be wrong. And no-one on this thread has come up with a good reason for them! You seem keen to have your partner put on this database for life, with the surveillance, fees and penalties that involves. Why? Surely the CitizenCard will be a much cheaper solution that better protects her data? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkey Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 A lot of people don't seem to realise the amount of power they are giving over by submitting to such a scheme. With ID cards in place, all it will take is one slight alteration of the law for a future government to have us all by the short and curlies. Imagine in a country like Iran, for example - where spontaneous demonstrations, and behind the scenes agiitation are currently taking place in an attempt to topple the authoritarian regime - if Ahmedinajad had such an ID scheme in place, it would make it very simple for his goons to quickly snuff out the opposition. Tracking the movements and associations between dissidents would become very easy. And when they decided to round people up, there would be no escaping. The cards could be used to make sure nobody could buy a travel ticket, rent a room, or even buy shopping, without identifying themselves. To anyone who thinks that it is 'paranoid' to imagine this could ever happen here, I would say you are lacking in a basic knowledge of history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju-Ju Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 This is the longest thread that I've started! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju-Ju Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 Not sure what the problem is with ID cards - unless you have something to hide. Dragon of Ana This argument is used whenever governments want to increase their power and is a red herring designed to shift our attention away from the real problem. It is enough to say that I don't like the idea and for the government to provide solid reasons for having ID cards and this they simply fail to do. Also, being innocent has never been adequate protection against miscarriages of justice e.g. guantanamo bay (numerous other examples) and this also does not address the problem with data being lost/sold/otherwise. It is true that a great deal of data about us already exists in cyber space, perhaps it has taken us a long time to understand the potential problems with data protection and address them - but this does not mean that we should roll over and give up - we can say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkey Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Not sure what the problem is with ID cards - unless you have something to hide. Like the Jews in Nazi Germany? Or the Falun Gong in China? Reporters in Russia who won't tow the line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redyam Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8364421.stm More data gets sold to third parties without owners consent. I hope T-Mobile gets a huge fine for this. Data protection laws need a huge strengthening and the technology to store this data needs to be a lot better before the government even thinks about ID cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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