plekhanov Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 We should really be looking at ways of defeating this scum. Three ways as said previously: Make it a no go area. It's just too convenient a route for this to happen. Besides that would be 'letting the terrorists pirates win'. Or, introduce a convoy system. If things get bad enough perhaps, the lack of moves in this direction would suggest that the proportion of ships taken by pirates isn't anything like high enough to make this major inconvenience and reduction in efficiency worthwhile. Best of all 'Q' ships, with special forces on board; these could be regular merchant ships with these forces travelling with them whilst in the danger zone. This method we be cost effective and most effective. Q ships were used to great effect during two world wars. The potential rewards of piracy are so great in comparison to the alternatives open to the pirates that I fear you'd have to have a hell of a lot of Q ships to make a significant dent in piracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linesman Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 If things get bad enough perhaps, the lack of moves in this direction would suggest that the proportion of ships taken by pirates isn't anything like high enough to make this major inconvenience and reduction in efficiency worthwhile. To quote you. Besides that would be 'letting the terrorists pirates win'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linesman Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 The potential rewards of piracy are so great in comparison to the alternatives open to the pirates that I fear you'd have to have a hell of a lot of Q ships to make a significant dent in piracy. On the contrary it would be much cheaper to place groups of well armed service personel on board most ships. No small pirate boat or mother ship could withstand sustained fire power from GPMGs. Just remember when these easy to handle firearms were placed on ships in San Carlos Water (Falklands Conflict) they proved very effective against fast moving Argentinian jets. I've carried that firearm and fired thousands of rounds from one; the result can be quite devastating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hard2miss Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Simple solution, Nuke all the coastal areas of Samarlia. And see how popular being a Pirate anywhere in the world is after that. They have had too much of an easy time of it with people paying them for them to stop now, unless the UN start to patrol the waters its going to go on for ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plekhanov Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 On the contrary it would be much cheaper to place groups of well armed service personel on board most ships. No small pirate boat or mother ship could withstand sustained fire power from GPMGs. Just remember when these easy to handle firearms were placed on ships in San Carlos Water (Falklands Conflict) they proved very effective against fast moving Argentinian jets. I've carried that firearm and fired thousands of rounds from one; the result can be quite devastating. According to wikipedia "In 2008, a total of 21,415 vessels passed through the canal" now clearly a chunk of those were repeat trips by the same vessels but you're going to have to find a lot of "well armed service personel" to put them on "most ships". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linesman Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 According to wikipedia "In 2008, a total of 21,415 vessels passed through the canal" now clearly a chunk of those were repeat trips by the same vessels but you're going to have to find a lot of "well armed service personel" to put them on "most ships". They wouldn't be on all those ships all of the time, only the ones that sre passing at that moment in time, obviously they'd be transfered from ship tp ship. This would be a far less costly operation than in most UN postings, just remember the service personel from the contributing nations are already serving so they wouldn't have to be recruited. It wouldn't take long for the pirates to get the message, also a well positioned sattelite would have no trouble identyfying the mother ships which would make ideal new coral reefs.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plekhanov Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 They wouldn't be on all those ships all of the time, only the ones that sre passing at that moment in time, obviously they'd be transfered from ship tp ship. This would be a far less costly operation than in most UN postings, just remember the service personel from the contributing nations are already serving so they wouldn't have to be recruited. It wouldn't take long for the pirates to get the message, also a well positioned sattelite would have no trouble identyfying the mother ships which would make ideal new coral reefs.. Oh come on now you're acting as if garrisoning a fifth of the worlds ocean traffic and moving troops from ship to ship across wide areas of the indian ocean would be a simple task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linesman Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Oh come on now you're acting as if garrisoning a fifth of the worlds ocean traffic and moving troops from ship to ship across wide areas of the indian ocean would be a simple task. Massive amounts of service personel are constantly on duty away from base; usualy on exercises. You seem to imply that all of a fifth of the worlds shipping travel on the same day; they don't. The pirates do not travel thousands of miles across the Indian ocean. The ships should also travel in convoy until the threat has been eradicated. The one thing that the pirates are sure of is that knowone at this moment in time will fire back, with a dozen well armed; trained men on board using infantry weapons ie GPMG and anti tank; attacks from small speed boats would quite easily be repelled. It is nothing to do with garrisoning; the personel from all the countries affected are readily available at little or no extra cost to their normal day to day running costs. When not in combat service personel and their equipment are not placed in stores until required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppins Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 I can't believe this poor couple is still captive, CNN have shown a video of them begging the British government for help, whats taking so long ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 I can't believe this poor couple is still captive, CNN have shown a video of them begging the British government for help, whats taking so long ? What do you think your government do if the shoe was on the other foot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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