Darth Vader Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Quite right eastbank, Your Mummy taught you well. For the same reason I would probably advise people not to use your business, as you may be an axe murdering, illegal parker! You're one person. How many thousands of people are boycotting businesses that use these "parking companies". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 (edited) Not sure that you have got the jist yet. That's OK, keep working on it. Actually it's you that obviously hasn't got the gist yet. Only the police and councils can issue parking fines. And those that willfully mislead others by dressing up charges as fines can be acting illegally. Edited November 25, 2009 by Darth Vader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loubeelou Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Actually it's you that obviously hasn't got the gist yet. Only the police and councils can issue parking fines. And those that willfully mislead others by dressing up charges as fines can be acting illegally. Private land Darth. Trespassing, get the jist? Don't take it to heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Private land Darth. Trespassing, get the jist? Don't take it to heart. It's not trespassing. You have a pre-existing agreement when you have paid to park, so cannot be trespassing in law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loubeelou Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 It's not trespassing. You have a pre-existing agreement when you have paid to park, so cannot be trespassing in law. Sure. UNTIL YOU BREAK THE AGREEMENT. Come on Darth, stop taking it to heart, It's a fair cop. Read the signs, avoid the fines. Easy peasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Sure. UNTIL YOU BREAK THE AGREEMENT. Come on Darth, stop taking it to heart, It's a fair cop. Read the signs, avoid the fines. Easy peasy. Ok, here you go....obviously, you can't click on a link.... Judge quashes £300 parking fine...because it set out to ‘frighten and intimidate’ driver By MARTIN DELGADO Last updated at 22:54 22 March 2008 Car park operators could be forced to stop threatening motorists with huge penalty charges after a landmark court ruling. In a decision that will be welcomed by many aggrieved drivers, a judge has ruled that the demands for hundreds of pounds in penalties which a parking company sent to one woman driver were illegal because they were too high. The court was told they were intended to "frighten or intimidate" her rather than compensate the firm for any lost income. The case is expected to have far-reaching implications for private parking firms. Labour MP Alan Meale, who has campaigned on behalf of motorists, said: "This ruling gives hope that people who have had money taken from them wrongly by parking companies may be able to recover it." A judge has quashed a series of fines Victoria Hetherington-Jakeman received for allegedly parking her car at a shopping centre for more than two hours Warning sign: No tickets were left on the windscreen of Ms Hetherington-Jakeman's car at Thornton Retail Park And the woman's solicitor, Martin Lee, said: "In future, companies that charge these sorts of sums will have them struck out unless they can prove that they are a proper account of any financial loss. "The courts have shown that unfairly high bank charges are a penalty charge and therefore unjustifiable. The same principle applies here." In a ground-breaking decision, the judge quashed a series of £100 demands sent to Victoria Hetherington-Jakeman, who had allegedly left her car at a shopping centre for more than the permitted two hours. She was sued by Excel Parking Services, which is run by a man once acquitted of demanding money with menaces from the owners of clamped cars and who is allowed electronic access to the Government's database of 38million motorists ? despite being temporarily barred last year following scores of complaints about its behaviour. Ms Hetherington-Jakeman, 60, was sued for failing to pay three £60 parking tickets which she did not even know she had been given. Her visits to the Portland Retail Park near her home in Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, took place between September and November 2006. But no tickets were left on the windscreen of her Mercedes and she heard nothing from Excel until the following January when she was sent a bill for £300, followed by letters from bailiffs threatening to confiscate her property unless she paid up. Excel boss Simon Renshaw-Smith manages a number of parking stations Excel had used a fixed camera to record her numberplate as she entered and left the site. It then passed the details to the DVLA, which sent back an email with her name and address. Mr Lee told Mansfield County Court that the levy of £100 per offence was an "unlawful penalty clause" intended to "frighten or intimidate" and therefore unenforceable. This argument was accepted by District Judge Wall, who ruled that the fines did not have to be paid. Last night, Ms Hetherington-Jakeman, who is head of quality control at a printing firm, said she was relieved her 14-month battle was over. "Excel's behaviour has been absolutely disgraceful throughout. When I tried to contact them ? and the only way to do that was on a 50p-a-minute premium-rate phone line ? I got no response. They said they couldn't discuss the matter. "They couldn't even get the most basic details right. First, they said my car was black, then silver. It's white. "They claimed the initial £60 parking tickets hadn't arrived because of a hold-up at the Royal Mail, though the Post Office said that wasn't true. "It's been very stressful but at least we have got the judgment we wanted." Excel, which manages a number of hospital, retail and station car parks, is run from an office in Sheffield by Simon Renshaw-Smith, 41, who is also director of a wheel-clamping firm called Captain Clampit Ltd. In 1993 he was accused at Sheffield magistrates' court of demanding £145 with menaces from two drivers whose cars he had immobilised. Asked last night about the case, Mr Renshaw-Smith said: "The accusations against me were dropped. I was acquitted." Last July, Excel was finally removed from the "approved" list of organisations allowed electronic access to the DVLA's database. It followed complaints from around the country and the formation of a 100-strong action group in Mansfield made up entirely of motorists who claimed they had been unfairly treated by Excel. The move meant that Excel was forced to apply for personal data by post on a case-by-case basis. Yet the ban was lifted only three months later. A DVLA spokesman said inspectors visited the firm and decided it was using the data "appropriately". MP Mr Meale said he would demand an explanation of the decision from Transport Secretary Ruth Kelly. Martin Bingley, a spokesman for the Mansfield action group, said: "Excel has an appalling reputation for failing to respond to appeals and for insisting they are right and the customer wrong." Excel, which has now lost its contract to run the Portland car park, said it was "disappointed" by the court ruling in Ms Hetherington-Jakeman's favour and was considering an appeal. Print this article Read later Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-542355/Judge-quashes-300-parking-fine--set-frighten-intimidate-driver.html#ixzz0Xud2SdfV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loubeelou Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Ok, here you go....obviously, you can't click on a link.... Judge quashes £300 parking fine...because it set out to ‘frighten and intimidate’ driver By MARTIN DELGADO Last updated at 22:54 22 March 2008 Car park operators could be forced to stop threatening motorists with huge penalty charges after a landmark court ruling. In a decision that will be welcomed by many aggrieved drivers, a judge has ruled that the demands for hundreds of pounds in penalties which a parking company sent to one woman driver were illegal because they were too high. The court was told they were intended to "frighten or intimidate" her rather than compensate the firm for any lost income. The case is expected to have far-reaching implications for private parking firms. Labour MP Alan Meale, who has campaigned on behalf of motorists, said: "This ruling gives hope that people who have had money taken from them wrongly by parking companies may be able to recover it." A judge has quashed a series of fines Victoria Hetherington-Jakeman received for allegedly parking her car at a shopping centre for more than two hours Warning sign: No tickets were left on the windscreen of Ms Hetherington-Jakeman's car at Thornton Retail Park And the woman's solicitor, Martin Lee, said: "In future, companies that charge these sorts of sums will have them struck out unless they can prove that they are a proper account of any financial loss. "The courts have shown that unfairly high bank charges are a penalty charge and therefore unjustifiable. The same principle applies here." In a ground-breaking decision, the judge quashed a series of £100 demands sent to Victoria Hetherington-Jakeman, who had allegedly left her car at a shopping centre for more than the permitted two hours. She was sued by Excel Parking Services, which is run by a man once acquitted of demanding money with menaces from the owners of clamped cars and who is allowed electronic access to the Government's database of 38million motorists ? despite being temporarily barred last year following scores of complaints about its behaviour. Ms Hetherington-Jakeman, 60, was sued for failing to pay three £60 parking tickets which she did not even know she had been given. Her visits to the Portland Retail Park near her home in Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, took place between September and November 2006. But no tickets were left on the windscreen of her Mercedes and she heard nothing from Excel until the following January when she was sent a bill for £300, followed by letters from bailiffs threatening to confiscate her property unless she paid up. Excel boss Simon Renshaw-Smith manages a number of parking stations Excel had used a fixed camera to record her numberplate as she entered and left the site. It then passed the details to the DVLA, which sent back an email with her name and address. Mr Lee told Mansfield County Court that the levy of £100 per offence was an "unlawful penalty clause" intended to "frighten or intimidate" and therefore unenforceable. This argument was accepted by District Judge Wall, who ruled that the fines did not have to be paid. Last night, Ms Hetherington-Jakeman, who is head of quality control at a printing firm, said she was relieved her 14-month battle was over. "Excel's behaviour has been absolutely disgraceful throughout. When I tried to contact them ? and the only way to do that was on a 50p-a-minute premium-rate phone line ? I got no response. They said they couldn't discuss the matter. "They couldn't even get the most basic details right. First, they said my car was black, then silver. It's white. "They claimed the initial £60 parking tickets hadn't arrived because of a hold-up at the Royal Mail, though the Post Office said that wasn't true. "It's been very stressful but at least we have got the judgment we wanted." Excel, which manages a number of hospital, retail and station car parks, is run from an office in Sheffield by Simon Renshaw-Smith, 41, who is also director of a wheel-clamping firm called Captain Clampit Ltd. In 1993 he was accused at Sheffield magistrates' court of demanding £145 with menaces from two drivers whose cars he had immobilised. Asked last night about the case, Mr Renshaw-Smith said: "The accusations against me were dropped. I was acquitted." Last July, Excel was finally removed from the "approved" list of organisations allowed electronic access to the DVLA's database. It followed complaints from around the country and the formation of a 100-strong action group in Mansfield made up entirely of motorists who claimed they had been unfairly treated by Excel. The move meant that Excel was forced to apply for personal data by post on a case-by-case basis. Yet the ban was lifted only three months later. A DVLA spokesman said inspectors visited the firm and decided it was using the data "appropriately". MP Mr Meale said he would demand an explanation of the decision from Transport Secretary Ruth Kelly. Martin Bingley, a spokesman for the Mansfield action group, said: "Excel has an appalling reputation for failing to respond to appeals and for insisting they are right and the customer wrong." Excel, which has now lost its contract to run the Portland car park, said it was "disappointed" by the court ruling in Ms Hetherington-Jakeman's favour and was considering an appeal. Print this article Read later Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-542355/Judge-quashes-300-parking-fine--set-frighten-intimidate-driver.html#ixzz0Xud2SdfV 1993! Can't you find me anything earlier? Keep up Darth, times are a changin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 I suggest anyone who gets a fine should do their homework and present their case to the Manager of the business premises involved (eg Farmfoods), not the parking company, stating that they wish them to contact the parking company on their behalf and quash the fine, or they will be boycotting their business. Retailers can not afford to lose valuable customers in these uncertain times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 (edited) 1993! Can't you find me anything earlier? Keep up Darth, times are a changin! Errrr, no. 2008! And you say that these victims of parking companies should learn to read!! :hihi: Anyway, I've something to do. Goodnight, enjoy the horlicks, looby. Edited November 25, 2009 by Darth Vader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loubeelou Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Errrr, no. 2008! And you say that these victims of parking companies should learn to read!! :hihi: Anyway, I've something to do. Goodnight, enjoy the horlicks, looby. Errrr, no. last updated 2008! Don't thank me now. Goodnight Darthy enjoy your tipple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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