Star & Garter pub

[Guest makapaka]

It's a shame about the star and garter but people didn't go in. Use it or lose it

[stpetre]

As in pub names, what does 'Star and Garter' mean, is it some sort of military term ?

[Bilge]

It's a shame about the star and garter but people didn't go in. Use it or lose it

 

It doesn't matter whether people use it or not if it's worth more to redevelop. Profit is all that matters.

Edited September 6, 2016 by Bilge

[crookedspire]

As in pub names, what does 'Star and Garter' mean, is it some sort of military term ?

 

It relates to the ' The noble Order of Garter' it basically a knighthood that can be awarded to both military and civilians for good deeds. The star relates to the medal itself which is a eight pointed sliver star with St George' s flag on it. It was a popular pub name in the 19th century.

[DnAuK]

When will the mania to build yet more student accommodation stop ? Another piece of Sheffield history heading for the landfill someone better get their camera out .

 

I guess when there are more demand for pubs and less for student housing...

 

Supply and demand is usually the key.

[bluecanary]

Planning Application

 

16/03264/FUL | Demolition of existing public house and hot food takeaway and erection of 16-storey student accommodation building comprising 38x cluster flats and 29x studio apartments, with associated cycle parking, landscaping and amenity space including games area, gym, cinema, library, common room and lounge area at ground and lower ground floor levels | Site Of 82 - 84 Winter Street Sheffield S3 7ND

 

https://planningapps.sheffield.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=OCH39CNYLEK00

 

16 stories!!! That's a building that's going to be difficult to miss! Hope they've thought about the additional flow of pedestrians and cycles as getting out of that junction at the top of Weston Street onto Winter Street can be pretty hairy as it is now.

[Guest makapaka]

It doesn't matter whether people use it or not if it's worth more to redevelop. Profit is all that matters.

 

Well yes to an extent. But generally even tied pubs aren't closed and redeveloped when they're successful.

 

I can't think of many thriving and popular pubs that have just shut and been redeveloped - it's always those that have a high turnover of managers and few customers.

[taxman]

Well yes to an extent. But generally even tied pubs aren't closed and redeveloped when they're successful.

 

I can't think of many thriving and popular pubs that have just shut and been redeveloped - it's always those that have a high turnover of managers and few customers.

 

Punch and Enterprise have so much land it's untrue. They can't make money from their flawed tied pub business model so they have been left with lots and lots of property. They don't give a sparrow's chuff what happens to the property just as long as they can sell it.

 

Except on those occasions when they try to get a covenant in place, but even then good can prevail

[crookedspire]

Enterprise Inns pubs are mostly ex Stones houses. Punch Taverns pubs are former Mansfield houses its not uncommon for the two pubcos to sale each others pubs to one or other. But both companies are in debt so they do like to have a clear out of pubs now and again.

[Guest makapaka]

Punch and Enterprise have so much land it's untrue. They can't make money from their flawed tied pub business model so they have been left with lots and lots of property. They don't give a sparrow's chuff what happens to the property just as long as they can sell it.

 

Except on those occasions when they try to get a covenant in place, but even then good can prevail

 

No I understand that entirely. Just going back to my original point. Those pubs that are well frequented don't seem to be closing down though. It tends to be pubs (like the star and garter) that don't appear to have attracted anyone in for years.