six45ive Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 indeed it is. I suspect Hammerson will sit back and make SCC perform a few more tricks (of the making more cash appear variety) before they mock grudgingly get on with building a scheme of reduced scale and (more importantly) vastly reduced quality. This is the St Paul's Tower all over again, on a much bigger scale. Conran designed ?? Yes, absolutely spot on on all counts. And then the council wonder why the city centre is struggling so much compared to Meadowhall and other city centres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penistone999 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Yes, absolutely spot on on all counts. And then the council wonder why the city centre is struggling so much compared to Meadowhall and other city centres. The city centre needs to be handed over to people who know about retail development. Presently it is in the hands of Bafoon`s who are more interested in self preservation and safeguarding their cosy jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonfall Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) Leeds manages to support all of these retail centres, as well as expanding on them, even through a recession. It would be interesting to know why they've been able to do this, over the last 10yrs, while Sheffield centre has declined. Victoria Quarter - Harvey Nichols, Paul Smith, Louis Vuitton Leeds Corn Exchange - 36 units of independents selling fashion, jewellery etc White Rose Shopping Centre - 100+ units out of town (inc. Debenhams, M&S, Zara, Topshop) Clarence Dock - 45 units (inc. G-Star, Replay, Rock Couture) Saint John’s Centre - 30 tenants (inc. Dorothy Perkins, Topman, Foot Locker, Clintons) Crossgates Shopping - 60 units (inc. Holland & Barrett, New Look, Claire’s) Crown Point shopping park - 28 units (inc. Next, TK Maxx, Mothercare) The Light - bars, a cinema, restaurants, a hotel, gym + 32 retail units (inc. Superdry, Ark, Lacoste) Eastgate Quarter (opening 2015) - John Lewis, M&S Trinity (Opening March 2013) - M&S, Topshop/Topman, H&M, River Island, Next, Apple, Hollister, Cult, Primark, Mango, Carluccio's, Yo Shushi, Giraffe, Handmade, D&D, 'Everyman' independent cinema Edited January 21, 2013 by Dragonfall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downhiller Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 To be fair whilst it's widely accepted that Croydon is a dive, it is still within Greater London and therefore a better bet for the banks than a rather insular small socialist northern city (with an incompetent local authority). London has largely overcome the economic downturn thats still affecting us ooop north. As I have posted before,in defence of the council (am I unique) the Sevenstone project would have been up and running if there had been no Meadowhall built. So I agree with the council about the decision to block further development in the Meadowhall area which would further reduce interest in development in the city centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent Orange Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Leeds manages to support all of these retail centres, as well as expanding on them, even through a recession. It would be interesting to know why they've been able to do this, over the last 10yrs, while Sheffield centre has declined. Victoria Quarter - Harvey Nichols, Paul Smith, Louis Vuitton Leeds Corn Exchange - 36 units of independents selling fashion, jewellery etc White Rose Shopping Centre - 100+ units out of town (inc. Debenhams, M&S, Zara, Topshop) Clarence Dock - 45 units (inc. G-Star, Replay, Rock Couture) Saint John’s Centre - 30 tenants (inc. Dorothy Perkins, Topman, Foot Locker, Clintons) Crossgates Shopping - 60 units (inc. Holland & Barrett, New Look, Claire’s) Crown Point shopping park - 28 units (inc. Next, TK Maxx, Mothercare) The Light - bars, a cinema, restaurants, a hotel, gym + 32 retail units (inc. Superdry, Ark, Lacoste) Eastgate Quarter (opening 2015) - John Lewis, M&S Trinity (Opening March 2013) - M&S, Topshop/Topman, H&M, River Island, NextApple, Hollister, Cult, Primark, Mango, Caluccio's, Yo Shushi, Giraffe, Handmade, D&D, 'Everyman' independent cinema Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the average Sheffielder is as tight as and couple that with a backward attitude towards money and anything romotely posh. Sheffield likes cheap and erm, cheap. Some people are happy the city is full of pound and bargain basement shops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 As I have posted before,in defence of the council (am I unique) the Sevenstone project would have been up and running if there had been no Meadowhall built. Meadowhall had already been open for around 15 years when the council started messing around with the Sevenstone idea. Any idea that will only work if something that's been sucessfully trading for 15 years doesn't exist, is not a very good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penistone999 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 As I have posted before,in defence of the council (am I unique) the Sevenstone project would have been up and running if there had been no Meadowhall built. So I agree with the council about the decision to block further development in the Meadowhall area which would further reduce interest in development in the city centre. Other big cities manage to accommodate more than one big retail area. As has just been posted by someone , Leeds has numerous retail centres ,all thriving and successful ,and all able to attract flagship stores . No , the problem here is sheffield council,simple as that. They have proven recently they have no vision and no ambition by their refusal to allow IKEA and NEXT to build massive stores in the city. They are a joke ,and until the city centre redevelopment is taken away from these idiots and put in the hands of successful retail businessmen who have experience in developing shopping centre ,then the city centre will remain the joke it presently is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) Victoria Quarter - Harvey Nichols, Paul Smith, Louis Vuitton Nobody in Sheffield would buy from these shops. People think John Lewis is a rip off. Leeds Corn Exchange - 36 units of independents selling fashion, jewellery etc We have the Forum 12 units of independent shops and 2 bar/restaurants. White Rose Shopping Centre - 100+ units out of town (inc. Debenhams, M&S, Zara, Topshop) We have Meadowhall - 280 units and open 7 years ahead of White Rose. Need I say more. Clarence Dock - 45 units (inc. G-Star, Replay, Rock Couture) Yeah and how many other units are occupied. Dont make me laugh. This dodo was on the news not so long ago for its lack of interest and tenants. I also know someone who dealt with the management of the construction of said project and they could not even fill speculative interest. Residential it maybe but other than that dont make it a big concern. We too have Victoria Quays area with 4 large hotels and a handful of "shops" We also have Kelham Island - a mixture of residential and watering holes. Just like clarence dock. Saint John’s Centre - 30 tenants (inc. Dorothy Perkins, Topman, Foot Locker, Clintons) Orchard Square - 27 tenants including a handful of independent shops. Crossgates Shopping - 60 units (inc. Holland & Barrett, New Look, Claire’s) Crystal Peaks Shopping - 100 units including a market area Crown Point shopping park - 28 units (inc. Next, TK Maxx, Mothercare) Healey Retail Park / Meadowhall Retail Park / Drakehouse Retail Park / Kilner Way Retail Park The Light - bars, a cinema, restaurants, a hotel, gym + 32 retail units (inc. Superdry, Ark, Lacoste) Yeah and only 10 of them occupied. Hardly a roring success. We too have a large complex of restaurants/cinema and leisure. Also we have two big square of restaurants and bars in the city centre. Eastgate Quarter (opening 2015) - John Lewis, M&S Still to be built - just like Sevenstone. Hope the money does not run out. tick tock tick tock. Trinity (Opening March 2013) - M&S, Topshop/Topman, H&M, River Island, Next, Apple, Hollister, Cult, Primark, Mango, Carluccio's, Yo Shushi, Giraffe, Handmade, D&D, 'Everyman' independent cinema Which is actually replacing the existing run down and shabby Leeds Plaza. Hardly a major new build. Oh and by the way we already have an "independent cinema". The Showroom has been around for years. Nicely established next door to a bunch of independant media and film companies. Come on Leeds keep up Edited January 21, 2013 by ECCOnoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Speaking with my "outsider's" hat on, Sheffield doesn't do enough to attract out of towners for city breaks. There's no point coming if the city isn't car friendly and there aren't the shops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheffBloke Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the average Sheffielder is as tight as and couple that with a backward attitude towards money and anything romotely posh. Sheffield likes cheap and erm, cheap. Some people are happy the city is full of pound and bargain basement shops. ^^^^^^^ THIS sad but oh so true Just look at the posts on this forum "where can i dine out for under a fiver", "where's the cheapest place to buy such and such", "cheapest place for a night out in City Centre", "cheapest drinks in town" Its embarrassing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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