anywebsite Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 A car weighs over a ton, and in most cases is being used to transport a person weighing less than two hundredweight. That's ridiculously inefficient by any standards. It takes me a total of 30 minutes & about 0 calories to get to & from work. The alternative would be two hours walking & a 600ft climb on the way home. I'd need an extra meal a day too. That's even more ridiculously inefficient. It's not just cars that use the road either & not just people that need to be transported, there are vans, HGVs, buses, trams. Invent something better than a car before you try to stop people using them. Banning transport is not an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 It takes me a total of 30 minutes & about 0 calories to get to & from work. Zero calories? How did you obtain a car that burns no fuel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 It takes me a total of 30 minutes & about 0 calories to get to & from work. Leaving aside your straw man contention that anyone's suggested banning anything, why do you drive at 16mph then complain about a 20mph limit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 The rationale for 20 mph as the default speed limit for residential streets. In Britain …… More than half of road deaths and serious injuries occur on roads with 30 mph limits (Transport Statistics for Great Britain). Britain has the highest percentage of pedestrian road fatalities in Europe 20%. (EU European Road Safety Observatory) Britain has one of the lowest levels of children walking or cycling to school in Europe. Speed limits on Britain’s urban roads are 60% higher than Europe. (30 mph compared to 18.5 mph) British parents consistently cite traffic speed as the main reason why their children are not allowed to cycle or walk to school. Lowering urban and residential speed limits to 20 mph has been found to increase a 15 minutes car journey by just 60 seconds. (EU Report : Kids on the move) Lowering urban and residential speed limits to 20 mph has been found to decrease child pedestrian accidents by 70%(Transport Research Laboratory) Recent DfT Guidelines have relaxed the requirements for 20 mph limits in residential areas. It is no longer mandatory to impose physical measures such as speed bumps. (DfT Circular 1/06) In Hilden, Germany…… 24% of in town trips are made by bicycle. All residential streets have an 18.5 mph speed limit, with some reduced to 9 mph. Road side cycle tracks are being removed as the road is an even safer place for cyclists to be and is more direct and more convenient. In Britain…… In Portsmouth, and Suffolk, and Northampton and Edinburgh, and Hull, and Bristol, and Nottingham, and many more towns, council officials are using the recent Dft Guidelines changes to introduce blanket 20 mph limits on residential streets. 80% of the public and 75% of drivers support 20 mph as a speed limit on residential streets. (PACTS) It time for our residential roads to be equitably shared with all the users by setting an appropriate speed limit that protects the young and the vulnerable. The time for 20 mph as a speed limit on residential roads in Britain has come. http://www.20splentyforsheffield.org.uk/?page_id=75 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalman Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 And how long would it be before you were campaigning for them to be reduced to 10 mph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number Six Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 How well would it go down? Road safety would improve and we would get more volume from the available road network so we might increase the average speed and reduce journey times. Would you be happy to reduce the urban speed limit to 25 mph in Sheffield? How about reducing it even further to 20 mph? What is the average traffic speed in Sheffield at peak times currently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonBennet Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 And how long would it be before you were campaigning for them to be reduced to 10 mph? Nothing wrong with that. The ultimate aim should be to make car travel so inconvenient and slow that people voluntarily give up their cars and make their journeys on foot, by bike or public transport. The private car has no place in the 21st century city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedders Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Nothing wrong with that. The ultimate aim should be to make car travel so inconvenient and slow that people voluntarily give up their cars and make their journeys on foot, by bike or public transport. The private car has no place in the 21st century city. Nothing would make me catch public transport.....NOTHING! Full of chavs & nutters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonBennet Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Nothing would make me catch public transport.....NOTHING! Full of chavs & nutters! Just like a live version of this forum then, innit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 80% of the public and 75% of drivers support 20 mph as a speed limit on residential streets. (PACTS) This would appear to be at odds with the result of the poll attached to this thread. It's not just a little discrepancy, it's massive. Which suggests that one of the surveys was inherently biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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