Titanic99 Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 How patronising. That's why Labour are expected to be out on their ear, not because of massed ranks of media instructing a dim Joe Public how to vote. Why exactly is that "why"? Which of Labours legislation are the Tories going to repeal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Here you go. More patronising. This time of chairs and CEO's of FTSE100 firms. From The Guardian Labour and business's big fall-out • Peter Mandelson claims bosses 'deceived' • Support for party falls below 30% Labour today risked ending its intermittent 14-year love affair with business when Lord Mandelson brushed aside a business revolt over national insurance rises, suggesting leading company chiefs had been deceived by the Tories. In what David Cameron claimed was a "very significant moment" in the election, a procession of business leaders came out to back the Tory plan to reverse Labour's planned rise in NI contributions next year, and to finance the move by finding £12bn of extra efficiency savings in Whitehall in the coming year. more Still, Labour knows best eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchist Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Funny I ususally get accused of reliance on stats, surely there's nothing to argue about if the stat is accurate. No you don't. You get accused of posting biased stats, selected stats, incomplete stats, distorted stats and outdated stats. The media on the other hand tends to report all news, although some newspapers like the Mail & the Mirror might well put a spin on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanic99 Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Here you go. More patronising. This time of chairs and CEO's of FTSE100 firms. From The Guardian Still, Labour knows best eh? Therein lies the problem, the majority of the media are focusing on these businesses backing the Tory plans yet nowhere do I see a debate of the issues. People will see these headlines and think all the clever business people are supporting the Tories and some will be persuaded to join them, yet when the issue is investigated (as on Question Time last night) their arguments start to fall apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanic99 Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 No you don't. You get accused of posting biased stats, selected stats, incomplete stats, distorted stats and outdated stats. The media on the other hand tends to report all news, although some newspapers like the Mail & the Mirror might well put a spin on it. A stat is an accurate piece of information, you can't argue with it even if it isn't what you believed to be the case. If I've posted inaccurate stats then I will apologise, but I won't stop pointing out the ridiculousness of some of the arguments I see on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchist Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Therein lies the problem, the majority of the media are focusing on these businesses backing the Tory plans yet nowhere do I see a debate of the issues. People will see these headlines and think all the clever business people are supporting the Tories and some will be persuaded to join them, yet when the issue is investigated (as on Question Time last night) their arguments start to fall apart. There is no THINK about it. They are supporting the Tory policy. It is interesting that captains of industry tend to be highly qualified and experienced in business and financial matters. A minister on the other hand merely needs to have had a big mouth and have business experience that is limited to serving drinks on a ferry. Did anyone else hear Bod Crow being interviewed by John Humphries on the BBC News this morning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Therein lies the problem, the majority of the media are focusing on these businesses backing the Tory plans yet nowhere do I see a debate of the issues. People will see these headlines and think all the clever business people are supporting the Tories and some will be persuaded to join them, yet when the issue is investigated (as on Question Time last night) their arguments start to fall apart. If you don't see the debate you aren't looking very hard. Here is the letter to which it refers. It is very clear and concise. Letter to The Telegraph SIR – Between us we run some of Britain’s largest companies and employ over half a million people. We are responsible for ensuring that our businesses and our employees come through the recession in good shape. The Government’s proposal to increase national insurance, placing an additional tax on jobs, comes at exactly the wrong time in the economic cycle. In a personal capacity, we welcome George Osborne’s plan to stop the proposed increase in national insurance by cutting Government waste. In the last two years, businesses across the country have cut their costs without undermining the service they provide to their customers. It is time for the Government to do the same. Few would argue that the state cannot improve. In the last few years, the private sector has improved its productivity by around 20 per cent, while productivity in the public sector has fallen by three per cent. Savings can be made by removing the blizzard of irrelevant objectives, restrictive working practices, arcane procurement rules and Whitehall interference. Mr Osborne’s announcement marks the beginning of this debate. As taxpayers we would welcome more efficiency in government. As businessmen we know that stopping the national insurance rise will protect jobs and support the recovery. Cutting government waste won’t endanger the recovery – but putting up national insurance will. Sir Anthony Bamford Chairman, JCB Bill Bolsover Chief Executive, Aggregate Industries Dominic Burke Chief Executive, Jardine Lloyd Thompson Ian Cheshire Chief Executive, Kingfisher plc Neil Clifford Chief Executive, Kurt Geiger Mick Davis Chief Executive, Xstrata plc Aidan Heavey Chief Executive, Tullow Oil plc Lord Harris of Peckham Chairman and Chief Executive, Carpetright plc Justin King Chief Executive, J Sainsbury plc Sir Christopher Gent Chairman, GlaxoSmithKline plc Ben Gordon Chief Executive, Mothercare plc Sir Stelios Haji-Ioannou Founder and Chairman, easyGroup John Lovering Chairman, Mitchells & Butlers plc Graham Mackay Chief Executive, SABMiller plc Alistair McGeorge Chief Executive, Matalan Nicolas Moreau Group Chief Executive, AXA UK Stephen Murphy Chief Executive, Virgin Group Ltd Alan Parker Chief Executive, Whitbread Plc Sir Stuart Rose Executive Chairman, Marks & Spencer plc Paul Walsh Chief Executive, Diageo Plc Joseph Wan Group Chief Executive, Harvey Nichols Simon Wolfson Chief Executive, Next plc Zameer Choudrey Chief Executive, Bestway Cash & Carry Mandelson's response was that the signatories had been duped by the Conservatives. Consequently, last night those signatures were lining up to say "get stuffed Mandelson, no we haven't" because yet again he's patronising them. Just look at those names, would you patronise them like that? Only if your job depended on it eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchist Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 If you don't see the debate you aren't looking very hard. Here is the letter to which it refers. It is very clear and concise. Letter to The Telegraph Mandelson's response was that the signatories had been duped by the Conservatives. Consequently, last night hose signatures were lining up to say "get stuffed Mandelson, no we haven't" because yet again he's patronising them. Just look at those names, would you patronise them like that? Only if your job depended on it eh? That seems to be one of the statistics that titanic missed. Perhaps someone could remind us of Mandy's vast experience of working in industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fivetide Posted April 2, 2010 Author Share Posted April 2, 2010 How patronising. That's why Labour are expected to be out on their ear, not because of massed ranks of media instructing a dim Joe Public how to vote. what, because a bunch of big businesses want to pay less tax and instead have a rise on VAT so the public can pay instead? and where's that guff from the Tories about "prioritising debt reduction" gone? I thought if they could make savings it was meant to be going to pay off the defecit, that's what Osbourne's said, over and over and over... but suddenly they've found however many billions of savings to spend on ... tax cuts for business? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm the Conservatives really don't sound very credible (not saying Labour sound much more credible sometimes mind)... and stop knocking Mandie! Any more lip from you lot and we'll be getting visits from the Spetznaz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 No, they just don't want a tax on jobs. You clearly haven't been keeping up if you think otherwise. However, that's not a dig at you because it wouldn't be a surprise as it's an unusual concept to most people if they don't deal with stuff like this so it's easy to see how folks get confused - or deliberately misled by Mandelson and Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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