Are Christians discriminated against in the UK?

[SHsheff]

..by the way doesnt your Holy book deride homosexuality ?

 

Does yours?

[milquetoast1]

You've always had a bit of an issue with buggery haven't you Grahame?

Any idea who commits the most buggery? Go on have a guess, I dare you.

Oo-err Missus! I think you'll find it's heterosexual couples.....

I am often amused by the fact that of all the men I have known in my 50+ years, most of those that have expressed homophobic views seem to belong to a certain subset of heterosexual males that is strongly attracted to mainstream porn. These "red blooded" men seem to like nothing better than watching girl on girl action, and female buggery. I know of one colleague who recently boasted that after many years of persuasion, he had finally managed to convince his wife to partake in a bit of buggery, whilst simultaneously slagging off "poofters" as unnatural.

[sccsux]

Grahame, why are you doing this? Why are you blatantly putting words that I have not said and then arguing against them as if I have? I don't understand what you think you are achieving.

 

Report the offending post.

 

He'll be banned (again) as it isn't the first time he has tried to say people have said something that they clearly haven't.

[Grahame]

Grahame, why are you doing this? Why are you blatantly putting words that I have not said and then arguing against them as if I have? I don't understand what you think you are achieving.

 

I am most definitely not saying it's one rule for the religious, and another one for the non-religious, I am saying precisely the opposite.

 

It's Lord Carey that wants different rule for Christians, positive discrimination in fact. Go and read Lord Justice Laws judgement and you will see how profoundly fair he wants the courts to be, where everybody is treated equally in exactly the same way.

 

In it he says, "In the eye of everyone save the believer religious faith is necessarily subjective, being incommunicable by any kind of proof or evidence. It may of course be true; but the ascertainment of such a truth lies beyond the means by which laws are made in a reasonable society. Therefore it lies only in the heart of the believer, who is alone bound by it. No one else is or can be so bound, unless by his own free choice he accepts its claims."

 

Fantastic words, bravo I say.

 

If you disagree with what he is saying then you want everybody else to be bound by your faith. This opens the door the people claiming "this is my view of what my God would say, if he chose to."

 

Do you really want to live in a theocracy Grahame? Do you?

 

Then I am misunderstanding you.

 

You seem to be saying Lord Carey wants positive discrimination for Christians but he wants everyone to be treated equally in exactly the same way.

 

I am afraid I don't understand you. My bad probably.

[Grahame]

Ok, so where in the Bible does it say that homosexuality is wrong?

 

Seeing as you are asking, here is an answer.

 

The word homosexual did not exist until 1892.

 

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=homosexual&searchmode=none

 

If you want you can read Genesis 19 about Sodom which is where the word Sodomy comes from. The men could have had women but they only wanted men.

 

The Bible uses words like lasciviousness, lust, uncleanness and fornication to describe anything that is not the usual wedded hetrosexual relationship. Here are some examples.

 

Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

 

1Cr 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

 

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

 

1Th 4:5 Not in the lust of concupiscence (evil desire, indwelling sin) even as the Gentiles which know not God:

 

Jam 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

 

2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

 

1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

 

1Jo 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

 

1 Peter 4:3 (“when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries”)

 

2 Corinthians 12:21 “have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness”

 

Ephesians 4:19 “Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness”

 

Galatians 5:19 “the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness…”

 

Jude 1:4 “ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness”

 

Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

[milquetoast1]

Grahame - you forgot to include Rom 1:32 "they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them". That's redrobbo and me for supporting him to be killed then, nice morality there.

[flamingjimmy]

What confuses people until it is explained to them is that the Levite priests had the status of God and when they spoke it was "Thus and thus sayeth the Lord."

 

What source do you have for this?

 

It doesn't say this in the bible, so I was wondering where did you get it from?

[Grahame]

Grahame - you forgot to include Rom 1:32 "they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them". That's redrobbo and me for supporting him to be killed then, nice morality there.

 

 

Good point but you need to quote the whole verse.

 

Rom 1:32 "Who, though they have knowledge of the law of God, that the fate of those who do these things is death (the grave) not only go on doing these things themselves, but give approval to those who do them."

 

This is like encouraging people to do something stupid, say playing chicken on a railway line, or having sex with multiple partners, some of whom may have an STI. I have seen people on here saying what is wrong with promiscuity and actually encouraging it, including giving children condoms.

 

The Bible is concerned with our safety and well-being which is why there are these guidelines. The problem is that if people don't like them they disregard them but at their peril. It is a like disregarding the Highway Code, there is nothing wrong with it, the fault lies with the idiot who disregards it and ends up killing people and perhaps even themselves (the fate of those who do these things is death) yet there are lots of speed merchants and red light jumpers who encourage people and give approval to people doing these things.

 

The Bible is saying people like that need their heads examined. (My words)

[Grahame]

What source do you have for this?

 

It doesn't say this in the bible, so I was wondering where did you get it from?

 

I will get back to you.

[flamingjimmy]

I will get back to you.

 

How can you not know where you got it from?

 

Unless perhaps you made it up, and you're now about to desperately search teh internets hoping to find some fundie site that agrees with you.