Gordon Brown describes mephedrone as 'evil'

[taxman]

It now turns out that two teens whose deaths were linked to mephedrone hadn't taken the drug at all. Breaking news on BBC website.

[chem1st]

Methedrone is a stimulant. From what was reported, the deaths sounded like respiratory depresssion. Mephedrone could probably have saved them

 

Oh well. Another stupid law.

[Tony]

29th March 2010

Did they manage to announce a ban before the toxicology reports were back as per our discussion the other week?

 

28th May 2010

It now turns out that two teens whose deaths were linked to mephedrone hadn't taken the drug at all. Breaking news on BBC website.

 

The nation was being run by idiots.

 

 

 

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10184803.stm

Teenagers' 'mephedrone deaths' not drug related

Toxicology tests have shown that two teenagers whose deaths were linked to mephedrone had not taken the drug.

 

The deaths of Louis Wainwright, 18, and Nicholas Smith, 19, in March 2010 sparked concern about the synthetic stimulant, which was then legal.

 

The Labour government banned the so-called "legal high" in April, making it a Class B drug alongside amphetamines and cannabis.

 

But tests have revealed there were no traces of mephedrone in their blood.

 

It is thought further tests are being conducted to try to establish what, if any, substances the pair had taken.

[Cyclone]

If it moves (or looks like it might move) ban it or tax it, that was the labour moto.

[LibertyBell]

If it moves (or looks like it might move) ban it or tax it, that was the labour moto.

 

Not sure the condems would have done anything different, but this case makes a complete mockery of drugs policy in the UK.

 

How long before mainstream politicians take their blinkers off and take a constructive and progressive approach to drugs. It's ignorance of the highest order and an outrageous intrusion into the lives of it's so called citizens.

 

Is there actually a single argument against adults being able to do what they want with their own bodies without the law telling you which plants or chemicals you can ingest?

 

Legalise it. Tax it.

[Tony]

Is there actually a single argument against adults being able to do what they want with their own bodies without the law telling you which plants or chemicals you can ingest?

 

Where it harms others. There is the intractable problem - defining harm.

[LibertyBell]

Where it harms others. There is the intractable problem - defining harm.

 

..if that's even half an argument for banning drugs, alcohol should be illegal beyond any doubt.

[Tony]

In an ideal world you would be right - prohibition would be a blend of evidence and common sense.

 

But, this thread is about the knee-jerk banning of a new synthetic drug which did not cause the deaths that caused its banning, and which was banned before the evidence was available.

[chem1st]

..if that's even half an argument for banning drugs, alcohol should be illegal beyond any doubt.

 

And cars and kitchen knifes and ladders and power tools.

[twoheartstop]

The purpose of positive law (ie state law, not that of human nature and its order) is to keep the peace and punish wrongdoers. Most law in Britain no longer complies with that test, making it morally invalid.

 

Regulations circumscribing personal liberty don't stand up. So let's all disobey them and one day they will see sense.

For example, the new Vetting scheme for working with children and vulnerable adults was due to expect 11 million "compulsory" registrations. What if just 10% of people refused to sign up? We couldn't sack/fine/sue/jail them all and find replacements for a MILLION professionals in health, education etc. The public can fight unfair law without resorting to violence.