HeadingNorth Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 It was the gulley running down the ship that slaves got down to, to excrete. If you're right and I'm wrong, the same probably applies, but again, I'd prefer that the people descended from those slaves get to decide if the term should be used or not. It shouldn't be up to us to say that they have no right to be offended by obscure references to the slavery their ancestors suffered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 I was once told by a person with a disability that they did not like being referred to as a "disabled person" because that meant they were being defined by their disability rather than as a person in their own right. Seeing as this person felt this way I accepted what they said. The stories we usually read about are more often about people imagining slights, insults and defamations when none actually exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 I thought this forum had established that PC doesn't exist and it's just an invention of the Daily Mail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinaski Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 After working in London for a few years with mixed races and religions, I found all the old jokes my mates were still telling excruciatingly embarrassing. I wasn't being pc, I'm not pc, but I realised that many of the jokes were barbed insults and often due to fear of the unknown. I also find people often confuse pc with excessive bureaucracy, which deserves to be ridiculed. But the two are different, even though they often share similar traits and are usually espoused by the same people, which is probably where the confusion lies. The biggest problem today is that somehow people have grasped the idea that if you don't believe in racist terms then you're somehow a left wing right on hippie type, or are just generally a bit wet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfox3x Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 I heard that explanation for nitty gritty a couple of years ago and apparantly it's not proven that it refers to slaves. Just googled it again... http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/nitty-gritty.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloomdido Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 After working in London for a few years with mixed races and religions, I found all the old jokes my mates were still telling excruciatingly embarrassing. I wasn't being pc, I'm not pc, but I realised that many of the jokes were barbed insults and often due to fear of the unknown. I also find people often confuse pc with excessive bureaucracy, which deserves to be ridiculed. But the two are different, even though they often share similar traits and are usually espoused by the same people, which is probably where the confusion lies. The biggest problem today is that somehow people have grasped the idea that if you don't believe in racist terms then you're somehow a left wing right on hippie type, or are just generally a bit wet. I spent a good while in London and found it 'challenging' coming back up here. I agree with what you say, some terms are cleary racist or derogatory and I won't use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinaski Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 I spent a good while in London and found it 'challenging' coming back up here. I agree with what you say, some terms are cleary racist or derogatory and I won't use them. Yeah, it's a hang up I found absolutely no trouble ridding myself of. After you spend nights boozing with Ghanians, walking from work sharing a spliff with a a Muslim who moans about his mother attempting to get him to marry, you soon start to realise that most of these barriers are complete nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 Are there some things you are quite P.C. about, or are you against it all? Respect... with the occasional human slip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgksheff Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 ......... apparantly it's not proven .... It's more than not proven. It is virtually impossible for the (slave ships) claim to be true without the phrase entering the written texts of the time. Sadly, one of the curses of the internet is the ease with which it allows untruths to proliferate and claims to become "facts". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 Sadly, one of the curses of the internet is the ease with which it allows untruths to proliferate and claims to become "facts". Go on, spit it out. No PC here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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