DragonofAna Posted April 7, 2010 Share Posted April 7, 2010 Not everyone gets rid of their car to get a smaller more economical more environmentally friendly vehicle. Some of the cars that are exchanged under the scrappage scheme are mint compared to some of the old heaps I see on the roads. If the cars are running and pass emmision tests and such, and are safe to be driven, or can be repaired to do so - then they should not be scrapped. A lot of people cannot afford to buy new cars - even with the scrappage scheme - and instead travel around in wrecks that pour out clouds of smoke and sound like a tank. Hardly an improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted April 7, 2010 Share Posted April 7, 2010 A large part of the reason for the scheme was to remove old, inefficient cars from the pool, so it would be self-defeating to sell them on. Whether that means it was a silly idea, is arguable. You may well believe it was. It would be beneficial to allow anyone with an even older, less efficient car, to p/x their old car for one of them though, plus they'd make a small amount back on the scrappage paid whilst actually getting to scrap an even older vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number Six Posted April 7, 2010 Author Share Posted April 7, 2010 Quite - if it was about the environment then you would have had to trade in for a more efficient car, and it would be possible to swap your old car for a more efficient scrapped old car. Clearly the 'environmental' aspect was a myth. The destruction of these perfectly serviceable vehicles is a scandal - it's a waste of time, money, and the environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eater Sundae Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 Quite - if it was about the environment then you would have had to trade in for a more efficient car, and it would be possible to swap your old car for a more efficient scrapped old car. Clearly the 'environmental' aspect was a myth. The destruction of these perfectly serviceable vehicles is a scandal - it's a waste of time, money, and the environment. Nice work if you can get it. Pay £1000 subsidy towards a new car, then get back more than this in VAT and other taxes on the new car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 The government would always have got revenue from a car sale, giving away a thousand towards it doesn't help their revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonkatoy Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Nice work if you can get it. Pay £1000 subsidy towards a new car, then get back more than this in VAT and other taxes on the new car. A couple of minor points here. Most of the cars registered under the scrappage scheme were cheap imports where VAT was no where near £1000. Most of the cars would have been sold anyway and therefore it was chucking away money for nothing. As 90% of the cars were imported and only 10% built in the UK, the British taxpayer paid a £10,000 subsidy for each car built in the UK to protect British jobs. It would have been cheaper to pay the workers £5,000 not to make each car. That would have made a far bigger contribution to reducing carbon at half the cost. An ill thought through scheme by a Government that long ago lost the power to think things through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynic Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 I saw that picture before. A lot of those cars look like they would be worth more than £2k. Are they really all cars sold under the scrappage scheme? Lots don't look 10 years old either. I would gladly swap my 7 year old car for a number of them. Unless they all have unseen problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eater Sundae Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 The government would always have got revenue from a car sale, giving away a thousand towards it doesn't help their revenue. If they would have got the sale anyway, there's no point in doing the scheme - but I agree that this would be a cost to the government. However, the aim was to boost sales. If it has done this, then the government coffers gain. Every scrappage sale that wouldn't have happened without the scrappage scheme is a net gain. The government proclaimed the scheme as a success - ie increased sales, therefore money to the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHYTOT Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 If they would have got the sale anyway, there's no point in doing the scheme - but I agree that this would be a cost to the government. However, the aim was to boost sales. If it has done this, then the government coffers gain. Every scrappage sale that wouldn't have happened without the scrappage scheme is a net gain. The government proclaimed the scheme as a success - ie increased sales, therefore money to the government. Before the scrappage scheme around 80% of cars sold in the UK were imports and 20% UK built. Under the scrappage scheme the UK portion of sales halved and the Government subsidised cheap imported cars from Korea. The £1000 subsidy was only attractive if you were buying a cheap car and very few of them are UK built. So the net result is that some folk who were considering buying a British car were seduced into buying Korean instead. It is quite likely that not one extra UK built car was sold as a result of the £100s million wasted, and in all probability UK car production was actually cut. These are the top 5 beneficiaries of the scrappage scheme. NOT ONE CAR FROM ANY OF THESE MANUFACTURERS IS PRODUCED IN THE UK. But all received a £1000 subsidy from the UK tax payers. 1. Hyundai - 43,992 2. Ford - 43,874 3. Volkswagen – 30,335 4. Kia – 29,997 5. Fiat Group (including Alfa Romeo) – 29,781 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ sheffield Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Shut your face. Big timer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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