How our society has degraded. Cultural Marxist/Critical Theory explained.

[BritPat]

She would seem to have been arguing for a sensible distinction between pornographic images and 'holidays snaps' of teenagers in beachwear.

 

Precisely so, yes. She was doing what ministers so often fail to do - read the proposed legislation and improve its drafting. All she suggested was a clarification to help define the word "indecent".

 

Around that time there had been one or two ludicrous cases of photo developers calling in the police for "paedo" images that were actually parents holiday snaps of their kids at the seaside. One Sheffield photographer was arrested for "level one child pornography" and received 150 hours community service for making artistic pictures of children as fairies that the childrens' parents had commissioned. Passing sentence, Judge Lawler QC added: "You always acted perfectly properly and their parents were perfectly law-abiding, sensible people who cared for their children."

 

 

Oh dear it would appear that both Garrence and Wildcat have been caught eating their shoes

 

Perhaps you should have followed the original link !!!

 

Harridan Harman was a campaigning lawyer at the time and NOT a Minister of the Crown.

 

Perhaps Garrence and Wildcat agree with Harman's campaign re The Paedophile groups she once campaigned for ?

 

 

 

Harman's Pro Paedo Campaign

Harriet Harman under attack over bid to water down child pornography law

Harriet Harman’s political judgement has been called into question after it emerged that she once advocated the watering down of child pornography laws.

[retep]

Precisely so, yes. She was doing what ministers so often fail to do - read the proposed legislation and improve its drafting. All she suggested was a clarification to help define the word "indecent".

 

Around that time there had been one or two ludicrous cases of photo developers calling in the police for "paedo" images that were actually parents holiday snaps of their kids at the seaside. One Sheffield photographer was arrested for "level one child pornography" and received 150 hours community service for making artistic pictures of children as fairies that the childrens' parents had commissioned. Passing sentence, Judge Lawler QC added: "You always acted perfectly properly and their parents were perfectly law-abiding, sensible people who cared for their children."

 

There was of course public outcry. GitD would have been screaming "political correctness gone mad!! Look the cultural Marxists are taking over!!"

 

It wasn't political correctness, just badly written law. Harriet Harman tried to make a proper definition that would not lead to such ludicrous results.

 

And now BritPat's thinks shes a "cultural Marxist" for that.

 

A "cultural Marxist" if you do, a "cultural Marxist" if you don't.

 

So far he thinks that a "cultural Marxist" is a politically correct capitalist stockbroker that harms families by clarifying a definition that was previously harming families - or some such nonsense.

 

And your excuse for this part is,

 

But she faces fresh criticism from Opposition MPs and campaign groups after The Daily Telegraph obtained documents showing that she called on ministers to make sexually explicit photographs or films of children legal unless there was evidence that the subject had been harmed.

At the time she made the official submission, she was a senior figure in a civil liberties organisation that wanted the age of consent to be lowered to 14 and incest decriminalised. It also defended self-confessed paedophiles in the press and allowed them to attend its meetings.

[garrence]

ahh you're on about that part of the article - I assumed you meant the current affairs aspect of it rather than something from 1978!

 

That's the time the "loony left" term was coined to mean some of the wacky London borough councils and civil liberties groups (which, as Harleyman has said, have all settled down and got pensions now).

 

So what is the relevance of this thing from 1978? All you do is confirm that things were far more wacky in the 70's than now. GitD's last video was about the London loony left councils too, which somewhat indicates that there are few examples of these "cultural Marxists" to offer.

 

Speaking of wacky - you were going to explain how a Marxist conspiracy brought about the demise of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as part of an anti-socialist attempt to transfer wealth from the masses to the elite?

[epiphany]

Probably not a completely suitable answer to your questions, but let me ask you this: Is it a coincidence that nearly everyone responsible for bringing us Political Correctness/Cultural Marxism - Georg Lukács, Max Horkheimer, Herbert Marcuse, Theodor Adorno, Erich Fromm, and Wilhelm were all Marxists?

 

They have something else in common too

 

The Labour party to this day is riddled with closet Cultural Marxists of "the new left".

 

When you say "political correctness", what specifically are you talking about? All I got from the video was a dismantling of certain traditions and the changing of certain cultural ideas. Nothing unusual there if history is anything to go by.

 

It's all very vague, GetItDone.

 

Whatever you believe in regards to the influence of the Frankfurt school, many consider their work to be far more conservative in its outlook on culture and society than what many of the cultural institutions promote today. I think if you actually read the incredibly pessimistic (pessimism of the intellect, not the will) Dialectic of Enlightenment, you may find they are critiquing the very elements of society you yourself are fed up with and we are all fed up with.

 

It seems strange to blame the current manifestations of late capitalism on a school that was inherently against overt commercialism and vacuous cultural "norms" that degrade rather than emancipate society.

[GetItDone]

It is no coincidence that the people responsible for bringing us Marxism were Marxists.

 

Yes smart arse, but Marxism, or rather Cultural Marxism is POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!

[GetItDone]

BritPat & GItD,

 

I've found a lone traveller for you to hook up with.

 

http://www.ukip.org/content/features/186-the-curse-of-political-correctness

 

Nuttall also has paranoid ideas about the emissaries of political correctness. Though for someone who claims his specialist subject is history, his analysis is high on emotive rhetoric.

 

Perhaps that's unsurprising given his political leanings.

 

Yes im aware of him and i've read that before. I think he's right on the money.

[garrence]

Yes, you think cultural Marxism == political correctness.

 

We know that from last time.

 

However, you started this new thread to show that video, which is ludicrously wrong in ways we've discussed on previous pages. Do you seriously believe it? You think the Joy of Sex is some Marxist attempt to degrade society? Do you, like BritPat, think the federal bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was a Marxist conspiracy? Please do explain... (without inviting us to "use your imagination" or making vague assertions if you please).

[GetItDone]

Do you, like BritPat, think the federal bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was a Marxist conspiracy? Please do explain... (without inviting us to "use your imagination" or making vague assertions if you please).

 

Well, once upon a time this country was quite savvy when it came to financial matters, but somethings changed!!

 

Sometimes i think that some of the people at the top of the financial food chain these days couldnt possibly **** things up soooo badly unless they were doing it on purpose

[garrence]

Yes im aware of him and i've read that before. I think he's right on the money.

 

His article does hang together much better than the ludicrous video, but he doesn't really say much, does he?

 

I read through the usual stuff about the Frankfurt school, then a bit about how he equates "political correctness" to "cultural Marxism".

 

But then he goes off into a random set of things he deems to be politically correct. This paragraph is rather nauseating:

 

Political correctness is also trying to pervert our values, for it paints criminals as victims, routinely undermines the family by promoting promiscuity amongst our young and encouraging alternative lifestyles. It does this by changing language and advocating ‘rights.’ For example, in some prisons the prisoners are now referred to as ‘service users’ and fourteen-year old girls have the right to have abortions without the consent of her parents.

 

Yes - he thinks parents should be able to force their 14 year old daughter to give birth when she's been stupid enough to get pregnant.

 

I don't know who he thinks are "promoting promiscuity amongst our young" - 14 year-olds have been shagging since long before Marx was around and I haven't noticed anyone out there encouraging them to get on with it, I've seen plenty of messages telling them not to.

 

The "cultural Marxists" term is quite clever because it implies there is kind of shadowy organisation at work - implying all his political correctness examples are somehow related to each other when actually they are not. He becomes explicit on that towards the end:

 

Dark forces are at work here ...

 

My goodness! Who will save us from the cultural Marxists?

 

... we in UKIP must stand up to them at all times.

 

Ahhh of course. Make the reader think they are threatened then tell them you are the solution. Classic.

[garrence]

Well, once upon a time this country was quite savvy when it came to financial matters, but somethings changed!!

 

Sometimes i think that some of the people at the top of the financial food chain these days couldnt possibly **** things up soooo badly unless they were doing it on purpose

 

Sorry, you failed the "vague assertions" test.

 

You started this new thread to show that video, which is ludicrously wrong in ways we've discussed on previous pages. Do you seriously believe it? You think the Joy of Sex is some Marxist attempt to degrade society? Do you, like BritPat, think the federal bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was a Marxist conspiracy? Please do explain... (without inviting us to "use your imagination" or making vague assertions if you please).