John Gault Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 This is quite wrong, some people are predisposed to forming a reliance on soporifics or alcohol, it's a medical problem. Natural selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkey Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Deviants should be eliminated, or haven't you read your Marx lately. Well you wouldn't last very long then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libuse Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 There's a difference between the two that you seem not to be able to grasp. Drug users chosse to do what they do, they do so in the full knolege of what the consequences are as well. People who get sick for any reason and with any sickness do not choose to do so and sociaty has a duty to care for them. Oh, and just for your uneducated benefit. There nothing in socialisum to say that criminals should be cared for, quite the contray in actuality. Deviants should be eliminated, or haven't you read your Marx lately. Presumably then in your world you'd have some sort of system to establish the factors in someone's addiction. If they became addicted as a way of dealing with their mental health problem, or dealing with physical pain, they'd be ok? Its just the others you'd personally execute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Natural selection. So you would have murdered the author of National Velvet, as well as the morphine-addicted veterans of world wars? Would you have helped murder my niece? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gault Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 So you'd prefer that public money was spent treating unnecessarily acquired HIV-related illnesses just so that people who use heroin experienced some sort of suffering? How unpleasant. No, I'd just make sure the 'drug use room' was close to the city morgue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeaFan Posted April 26, 2010 Author Share Posted April 26, 2010 Can we get back to the topic of the state prescribing heroin please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gault Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Presumably then in your world you'd have some sort of system to establish the factors in someone's addiction. If they became addicted as a way of dealing with their mental health problem, or dealing with physical pain, they'd be ok? Its just the others you'd personally execute? Yep that'd be OK, they'd have to have chosen to get addicted, anyone who gets addicted to anything because of treatment in one form or another would be exempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Can we get back to the topic of the state prescribing heroin please? Yeah, I don't think Gault has anything of any interest to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Yep that'd be OK, they'd have to have chosen to get addicted, anyone who gets addicted to anything because of treatment in one form or another would be exempt. There are strong reasons to support the practice of prescribing heroin to drug misusers, researchers claim. A University of Amsterdam team says the treatment is cost-effective, even though it is expensive. The British Medical Journal study found the cost to health services was offset by savings linked to crime reduction. Supervised medical prescription of heroin - a class A drug in the UK - is controversial. UK experts said a range of treatments should be available. Previous research has shown supervised medial prescription of heroin improves the physical and mental health, and ability to function normally in society, of users who cannot be successfully treated using just methadone - a synthetic narcotic used to treat heroin addiction. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4607233.stm Lives saved. Less crime. A massive boost to the NHS. Huge savings by the police and courts because crime falls. Plus, the distribution of heroin is taken away from some of the nastiest criminal gangs imaginable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Lives saved. Less crime. A massive boost to the NHS. Huge savings by the police and courts because crime falls. Plus, the distribution of heroin is taken away from some of the nastiest criminal gangs imaginable. When you look at it like that, it's hard to imagine any rational person (trolls notwithstanding) being able to find any sensible objection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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