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No, Alvin Plantinga has not keel hauled the the logical problem of evil for supernaturalists!

We naturalists as David Ramsay Steele, my friend, inquires: if in Heaven there exists free will and a guarantee for no one to do wrong, then why not here. This is no hobgoblin of little minds!

In " The Problems of Philosophers: An Introduction," Patrick T. Mackenzie's notes that to claim that Heaven will make up for all the evils and that free will and soul-making are the goals, first one has to adduce the evidence for HIm as all that is irrelevant- ignoratio elenchi.

As His putative omni- attributes contradict each other here, we ignostics find Him fatuous. And no one can instantiate Him by defining Him as having those attributes without evidence!

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Again, if in Heaven one has free will with a guarantee not to do wrong, then the consistent Creator would have the done here. Thus, God, having no reason not to be consistent erred in His treatment of animals. And one rationalizes greatly should one prattle that no, evolution absolves Him of that blame, for He created evolution, were He to exist!

Supernaturalists ever prattle nonsense in order to allow for His permitting evil were He to exist! Plantinga errs in feeling that the unknown defense rallies evidence to the fore for His permitting pointless evils in that he is making an argument from ignorance! His so-called contribution that perhaps He has some unknown reason for permitting those evils thus utterly fails as a possibility to overcome the logical problem from evil.

Whilst the problem of Heaven totally eviscerates the appeals to free will and soul-making, William Rowe's the evidential problem from evil can underpin it to show that supernaturalists just flaunt morality and rationality with one rationalization after another.

In words, even the second grader above can understand, God, were He to exist, is a big-time bungler by permitting evils when we could have free will with that guarantee not to to wrong as in Heaven!

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No, the OP make good sense, but some rather prattle.

As no reason can exist for pointless evils, then there should be free will with a guarantee not to do wrong here on Earth.

The Eden metaphor explains nothing! They didn't have that guarantee! Yahweh entrapped the two people!

hodgepod, pleckhanov can explain all this to the others!

This is a serious issue that serious people should evaluate, and the prattlers can go elsewhere to prattle.

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No, the OP make good sense, but some rather prattle.

As no reason can exist for pointless evils, then there should be free will with a guarantee not to do wrong here on Earth.

The Eden metaphor explains nothing! They didn't have that guarantee! Yahweh entrapped the two people!

hodgepod, pleckhanov can explain all this to the others!

This is a serious issue that serious people should evaluate, and the prattlers can go elsewhere to prattle.

OK off you go we'll follow you

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No, Alvin Plantinga has not keel hauled the the logical problem of evil for supernaturalists!

We naturalists as David Ramsay Steele, my friend, inquires: if in Heaven there exists free will and a guarantee for no one to do wrong, then why not here. This is no hobgoblin of little minds!

In " The Problems of Philosophers: An Introduction," Patrick T. Mackenzie's notes that to claim that Heaven will make up for all the evils and that free will and soul-making are the goals, first one has to adduce the evidence for HIm as all that is irrelevant- ignoratio elenchi.

As His putative omni- attributes contradict each other here, we ignostics find Him fatuous. And no one can instantiate Him by defining Him as having those attributes without evidence!

 

 

Makes you see red don't it.:evil:

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If the goal truly is "free will and soul-making" why don't we work on it down here before ascending!

 

I find the whole subject to be full of holes, but you would expect that from a script written over thousands of years by various scribes.

Most of whom were not christians.

 

If I was religious I would be a Buddist because their doctrine supports making yourself worthy to ascend, then when you do you can be reincarnated as any creature on Earth.

Marvellous stuff.

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