Tony Posted May 3, 2010 Author Share Posted May 3, 2010 Like you then, I believe some views should be suppressed. No, I don't believe that. Do you think someone expressing paedophile views, should be allowed to do so? Yes, at the right time and place. It allows us to form extended and knowledgeable attitudes. Ignorance is foolish, not bliss, but neither would SF be the right place to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Note: my viewpoint is not inconsistent with defying the law where someone thinks the law is wrong based on an assessment on principles I have set out... ie harm to society. In the case of "love that dare not speak its name", defying the law and accepting the consequences of that on balance has changed society for the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Are you using a different definition of 'express' from mine? I don't think so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 No, I don't believe that. Yes, at the right time and place. It allows us to form extended and knowledgeable attitudes. Ignorance is foolish, not bliss, but neither would SF be the right place to do it. Are you using suppressed as in repressed? I am not arguing that where someone is seeking help from a psychotherapist they should be dishonest about their views, context is important. However, if those views are being expressed in the public arena and they do more harm than good, then I have no trouble with them being suppressed ie made illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photofit Ed Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Do you believe that people should have the right to express their views, opinions and beliefs no matter how objectionable? No matter how objectionable to whom? Who decides what is an objectionable view? One mans objectionable view may well be another mans common sense approach. Who decides which one is wrong? Who decides which one is objectionable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubydazzler Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 I don't think so?Well, then I don't see how you can misunderstand what I've posted. Just so we're clear .... –verb 1.to put (thought) into words; utter or state: to express an idea clearly. 2.to show, manifest, or reveal 3.to set forth the opinions, feelings, etc., of (oneself), as in speaking, writing, or painting –adjective 1.clearly indicated; distinctly stated; definite; explicit; plain: Capiche? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br8inend Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 It is not an extreme example though. Do you think someone expressing paedophile views, should be allowed to do so? I took your argument about consequences to mean that if it was being run by your neighbour and you found out you would go gather some people with the metaphorical pitchforks to express your displeasure at their viewpoint. An understandable reaction, but one I would think would be more consistent or sensible if it included simply making the persons activity in expressing their paedophile views illegal and letting the state rather than the mob deal with such things. Pedophiles and alike should be forced to express their views within a gang of pitchforkees! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Pedophiles and alike should be forced to express their views within a gang of pitchforkees! So the ultimate suppression then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epiphany Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Pedophiles and alike should be forced to express their views within a gang of pitchforkees! Hmm, so simply acknowledging your sexuality (which cannot be helped) should be punishable by forking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Well, then I don't see how you can misunderstand what I've posted. Just so we're clear .... –verb 1.to put (thought) into words; utter or state: to express an idea clearly. 2.to show, manifest, or reveal 3.to set forth the opinions, feelings, etc., of (oneself), as in speaking, writing, or painting –adjective 1.clearly indicated; distinctly stated; definite; explicit; plain: Capiche? So you think that it should not be illegal to set up a website advocating the view that having sex with babies is good for them? Or that running full page adverts expressing nasty untrue views about you in every newspaper should not be illegal? You already conceded some views should be illegal did you not? "If those views are abhorrent, taboo or illegal, they have to expect the condemnation, ostracism or punishment that goes along with that expression." Making something illegal is to suppress it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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