BNP compared with Thatcher miners

[fez.]

As voting is coming up, i was wondering if anyone else agreed with me that had the BNP been in power that there would not have been Thatcher's tory miners strikes, and the pits would still all be open now. Food for thought isn't it

[alchresearch]

No. It's not even food. It's pig slops.

[BritishProud]

The BNP would like to bring that sort of trade back to North of England, including getting more steel works up and running again, why should we trade with other countries when we can do it here for free. Without paying EU trading costs.

[Tony]

For free?

 

You have to admire the sheer brilliance of BNP economics. If only all politicians and economists could come up with such simple plans.

[bazjea]

The BNP would like to bring that sort of trade back to North of England, including getting more steel works up and running again, why should we trade with other countries when we can do it here for free. Without paying EU trading costs.

 

Sounds interesting. Perhaps you could explain the BNP economics plan in greater detail. How this would work and how we would survive by just trading among ourselves for free?

[Redyam]

Not another BNP thread?

 

International trading makes us all richer, that is economics. If the BNP had been in power, we'd all be much poorer with a terrible standard of living. That is if we hadn't kicked them out within a year for being a bunch of hopeless morons.

[L00b]

why should we trade with other countries when we can do it here for free. Without paying EU trading costs.

There are no EU trading costs. Now, let's have an Economics 101session

 

UK worker costs £10 per hour, extracts 10 tons of coal in 10 hours.

Cost of UK coal ton: (10 hours * £10 per hour) / 10 tons = £10

 

Chinese/Polish/Russian (delete as necessary) worker costs £3 per hour, extracts 10 tons of coal in 10 hours.

Cost of Chinese/Polish/Russian (delete as necessary) coal ton: (10 hours * £3 per hour) / 10 tons = £3.

Add shipping, probably £2 per ton max. That's still £5 per ton delivered. Half-price.

 

The difference? The Chinese/Polish/Russian miner wants everything the UK miner gets (NHS, good roads, good services, nice house, holidays, etc.), but doesn't yet have it. He started on the greasy pole to a better lifestyle later than his UK counterpart, through government changes started later than in the UK (that's why some economies are 'developed', and others are still 'developing', and still others have yet to start - which will undercut the Chinese/Polish/Russian in due course).

 

To get all that eventually, the Chinese/Polish/Russian (delete as necessary) worker will get paid £10 per hour.

 

By that time, however, the UK worker will have moved on and want still more (NHS, good roads, good services, nice house, holidays, etc.), so will have gotten to -oh, say- £15 per hour. So, by that time, cost of UK coal ton: £15. And cost of Chinese/Polish/Russian (delete as necessary) coal ton: £10. Cost of Brazilian/Peruvian coal ton: £5. And so on and so forth.

 

Note that's not limited to miners, the same has been happening to a wider and wider extent with the service industry, for well over a decade now (why do you think so many call centres are based in India or South Africa? Or software development/support outfits?)

 

Can you see the flaw in the position?

[Cynic]

There are no EU trading costs. Now, let's have an Economics 101session

 

UK worker costs £10 per hour, extracts 10 tons of coal in 10 hours.

Cost of UK coal ton: (10 hours * £10 per hour) / 10 tons = £10

 

Chinese/Polish/Russian (delete as necessary) worker costs £3 per hour, extracts 10 tons of coal in 10 hours.

Cost of Chinese/Polish/Russian (delete as necessary) coal ton: (10 hours * £3 per hour) / 10 tons = £3.

Add shipping, probably £2 per ton max. That's still £5 per ton delivered. Half-price.

 

The difference? The Chinese/Polish/Russian miner wants everything the UK miner gets (NHS, good roads, good services, nice house, holidays, etc.).

 

To get all that eventually, the Chinese/Polish/Russian (delete as necessary) worker will get paid £10 per hour.

 

By that time, however, the UK worker will have moved on and want still more (NHS, good roads, good services, nice house, holidays, etc.), so will have gotten to -oh, say- £15 per hour. So, cost of UK coal ton: £15. And cost of Chinese/Polish/Russian (delete as necessary) coal ton: £10.

 

Can you see the flaw in the position?

 

Don't confuse them with logic. Maybe foreign coal isn't as good? Why buy inferior foreign coal when we can have British coal for free!

[splodgeyAl]

As voting is coming up, i was wondering if anyone else agreed with me that had the BNP been in power that there would not have been Thatcher's tory miners strikes, and the pits would still all be open now. Food for thought isn't it

 

There may well be people who agree with you. But many people agreeing with a stupid scenario does not make the scenario any less stupid

[Kthebean]

There are no EU trading costs. Now, let's have an Economics 101session

 

UK worker costs £10 per hour, extracts 10 tons of coal in 10 hours.

Cost of UK coal ton: (10 hours * £10 per hour) / 10 tons = £10

 

Chinese/Polish/Russian (delete as necessary) worker costs £3 per hour, extracts 10 tons of coal in 10 hours.

Cost of Chinese/Polish/Russian (delete as necessary) coal ton: (10 hours * £3 per hour) / 10 tons = £3.

Add shipping, probably £2 per ton max. That's still £5 per ton delivered. Half-price.

 

The difference? The Chinese/Polish/Russian miner wants everything the UK miner gets (NHS, good roads, good services, nice house, holidays, etc.), but doesn't yet have it. He started on the greasy pole to a better lifestyle later than his UK counterpart, through government changes started later than in the UK (that's why some economies are 'developed', and others are still 'developing', and still others have yet to start - which will undercut the Chinese/Polish/Russian in due course).

 

To get all that eventually, the Chinese/Polish/Russian (delete as necessary) worker will get paid £10 per hour.

 

By that time, however, the UK worker will have moved on and want still more (NHS, good roads, good services, nice house, holidays, etc.), so will have gotten to -oh, say- £15 per hour. So, by that time, cost of UK coal ton: £15. And cost of Chinese/Polish/Russian (delete as necessary) coal ton: £10. Cost of Brazilian/Peruvian coal ton: £5. And so on and so forth.

 

Note that's not limited to miners, the same has been happening to a wider and wider extent with the service industry, for well over a decade now (why do you think so many call centres are based in India or South Africa? Or software development/support outfits?)

 

Can you see the flaw in the position?

 

 

Sorry, you have blinded me with science.