BNP compared with Thatcher miners

[L00b]

Sorry, you have blinded me with science.

It's not science, it's common sense.

Maybe foreign coal isn't as good?

Probably isn't, since it's probably darker an'all that

[bazjea]

The BNP would like to bring that sort of trade back to North of England, including getting more steel works up and running again, why should we trade with other countries when we can do it here for free. Without paying EU trading costs.

 

Thought I would check BNP econmic policy from ther manifesto

To check what you have quoted above, about why should we trade

with other countries.

 

 

Quote from BNP Manifesto

--"Oriental countries such as Japan, South Korea and Singapore have managed their economies to combine private enterprise competition with the national good, and these are the models the BNP would emulate".

 

Perhaps you can correct me if I am wrong. But as far as I am aware all the

above countries EXPORT the majority of their goods. I seem to have seen quite a few Japanese and Korean produced cars and electronic goods around the Sheffield area.

[Number Six]

Economic theory is more nuanced that explained so far - a country should produce that in which is has a relative advantage.

 

Take coal and tv programmes as examples of things that might be made

 

To simply say there are only two countries. We'll call them Yorkshire and London, for the sake of argument.

 

The cost of extracting a tonne of coal in Yorkshire is £20. The cost of making a TV advert in Yorkshire is £1000.

 

The cost of extracting a tonne of coal in London is £30. The cost of making a TV advert in London is £1200.

 

Yorkshire has an absolute advantage in both goods (it can do it cheaper)

 

Economic theory though states that Yorkshire should concentrate on coal as it has a relative advantage in coal production.

 

In Yorkshire, 1 tonne of coal = 1/50th of an advert

In London, 1 tonne of coal = 1/40th of a an advert

 

Relatively speaking (in terms of what else could have been produced) Yorkshire is better at producing coal, and London is better at adverts.

 

If they specialise where they have a relative advantage, both countries will be better off.

 

Or, as has been suggested, the two countries could not trade at all, and just trade within their own borders for free.

[Magilla]

As voting is coming up, i was wondering if anyone else agreed with me that had the BNP been in power that there would not have been Thatcher's tory miners strikes

 

Based on what, wishful thinking?

 

I would think the strike would have gone ahead, but the outcome would have been far far worse for the miners.

 

and the pits would still all be open now.

 

Absolutely no chance.

 

Food for thought isn't it

 

Not really, it's nonsense.

[Tony]

Don't confuse them with logic. Maybe foreign coal isn't as good? Why buy inferior foreign coal when we can have British coal for free!

Some important points to note:

 

• Foreign coal is black
  
• The BNP want all UK coal to be indigenous Briton coal like it was before 1948
  
• There was no imported coal before the first load arrived on the SS Windrush
  
• Indigenous Briton coal is not workshy and feckless like foreign coal
  
• Churchill was one of the greatest British coals
  
• Foreign coals are mucky
  
• Not all coals are Muslims but all Muslims are coals
  

[duckweed]

Hitler had the idea of making Germany self sustaining. The economy had been in ruins and when Hitler took power the economy seemed to be doing better huge buildings were built new towns and roads. What the people didn't know was that Hitler was borrowing heavily. Quite a lot from Jewish bankers. Then surprise surprise when he ran out of credit it was blame the jews for all Germanys problems. No one seemed to have the intelligence to realise that it is impossible for a country to stand alone ecnomically. The USA is jealous of the EUs power as it is struggling economically and they are a heck of a bigger country than Britain. A friend of mine said BNP politicians were like a child when you were trying to tell him something he didn't want to hear stuck his fingers in his ears and sings la la la not listening.

[boyfriday]

There are no EU trading costs. Now, let's have an Economics 101session

 

UK worker costs £10 per hour, extracts 10 tons of coal in 10 hours.

Cost of UK coal ton: (10 hours * £10 per hour) / 10 tons = £10

 

Chinese/Polish/Russian (delete as necessary) worker costs £3 per hour, extracts 10 tons of coal in 10 hours.

Cost of Chinese/Polish/Russian (delete as necessary) coal ton: (10 hours * £3 per hour) / 10 tons = £3.

Add shipping, probably £2 per ton max. That's still £5 per ton delivered. Half-price.

 

The difference? The Chinese/Polish/Russian miner wants everything the UK miner gets (NHS, good roads, good services, nice house, holidays, etc.), but doesn't yet have it. He started on the greasy pole to a better lifestyle later than his UK counterpart, through government changes started later than in the UK (that's why some economies are 'developed', and others are still 'developing', and still others have yet to start - which will undercut the Chinese/Polish/Russian in due course).

 

To get all that eventually, the Chinese/Polish/Russian (delete as necessary) worker will get paid £10 per hour.

 

By that time, however, the UK worker will have moved on and want still more (NHS, good roads, good services, nice house, holidays, etc.), so will have gotten to -oh, say- £15 per hour. So, by that time, cost of UK coal ton: £15. And cost of Chinese/Polish/Russian (delete as necessary) coal ton: £10. Cost of Brazilian/Peruvian coal ton: £5. And so on and so forth.

 

Note that's not limited to miners, the same has been happening to a wider and wider extent with the service industry, for well over a decade now (why do you think so many call centres are based in India or South Africa? Or software development/support outfits?)

 

Can you see the flaw in the position?

 

Fantastic post L00b, I've been trying to say something like this for years, but invariably choke on my teeth before the words can get out coherently.

[boyfriday]

Some important points to note:

 

• Foreign coal is black
  
• The BNP want all UK coal to be indigenous Briton coal like it was before 1948
  
• There was no imported coal before the first load arrived on the SS Windrush
  
• Indigenous Briton coal is not workshy and feckless like foreign coal
  
• Churchill was one of the greatest British coals
  
• Foreign coals are mucky
  
• Not all coals are Muslims but all Muslims are coals
  

 

..and you cant take any of them back to Newcastle

[Snook]

If the BNP had been in power Princess Diana would still be alive and David Beckham wouldn't have been sent off against Argentina. Food for thought, isn't it?

[RazorSHarp]

UK worker costs £10 per hour, extracts 10 tons of coal in 10 hours.

Cost of UK coal ton: (10 hours * £10 per hour) / 10 tons = £10

 

 

Sorry wouldn't the coal be "cost" £100 per 10 ton? as 1 ton would be £10???

 

I'll buy my coal of you please What else you selling by the ton, I might be buying !!!