Al-Qaeda operative cannot be deported

[Longcol]

So its safe to say you do know what the laws were like under uncle joe.

 

You were born in the wrong place at the wrong time. You could have made a really good gulag commander.

[truconstruct]

In enough detail to know that they were a betrayal of the workers that overthrew the Imperial Tsarist regime.

 

It was the generals that made the Tsar abdicate not the workers.

[depoix]

I thought you were talking about the Tonypandy riot?

 

http://libcom.org/history/1910-cambrian-combine-miners-strike-and-tonypandy-riot

 

Your version of it, doesn't sound much like the version of events I am familiar with.

 

http://www.marxist.com/winston-churchill-modern-myth-1.htm

 

itwas in 1910-11 that Churchill, now Home Secretary, showed his true attitude towards the ordinary working people of Britain. On November 8th he sent troops into the Rhondda Valley, patrolling the streets with fixed bayonets, to subdue a miners' strike. He also had the 18th Hussars on standby at Pontypridd. He planned to throw a military cordon around the Welsh Valleys with the aim of starving the miners into submission. This was hardly the act of a "great statesman"; it highlighted the crude class interests that Churchill stood for and revealed to what extent he would go to put down working class unrest. Again, when Lloyd George talked railway workers out of going on strike he told him "I'm very sorry to hear it, it would have been better to have gone on and given these men a good thrashing." Thus, by his own words and deeds, this great "social reformer" showed what he really thought of the British working class.

 

this is the part i was on about wildcat

[Wildcat]

http://www.marxist.com/winston-churchill-modern-myth-1.htm

 

itwas in 1910-11 that Churchill, now Home Secretary, showed his true attitude towards the ordinary working people of Britain. On November 8th he sent troops into the Rhondda Valley, patrolling the streets with fixed bayonets, to subdue a miners' strike. He also had the 18th Hussars on standby at Pontypridd. He planned to throw a military cordon around the Welsh Valleys with the aim of starving the miners into submission. This was hardly the act of a "great statesman"; it highlighted the crude class interests that Churchill stood for and revealed to what extent he would go to put down working class unrest. Again, when Lloyd George talked railway workers out of going on strike he told him "I'm very sorry to hear it, it would have been better to have gone on and given these men a good thrashing." Thus, by his own words and deeds, this great "social reformer" showed what he really thought of the British working class.

 

this is the part i was on about wildcat

 

Whilst the Socialist Appeal article isn't actually factually wrong, it is misleading because it is a rhetorical article making an argument against Churchill. The Anarchist article I linked to gives a fuller account. This section in particular is the relevant bit:

 

Sometime during the fighting in the square, the police authorities, worried about losing control of the situation telegraphed Tidworth barracks for army reinforcements, which were promised to arrive the next morning. However, the unapproved reinforcements had been stopped by order of the then home secretary, Winston Churchill, before they had even crossed into Wales. When contacted by an angry police captain, Churchill, fearful of political criticism he would come under if he deployed troops against the miners, maintained that they should only be used as a last resort, but said that he would keep them on standby nonetheless. Instead he sent several hundred policemen from London, including about 70 mounted police.

 

The strikers returned to the pit at Llwynypia on November 8, and again heavy fighting between police and miners began. Some two hours into the fighting, mounted police succeeded in dispersing the miners into two groups, one of which headed for the middle of Llwynypia, the other heading again for Tonypandy. Fighting intensified in Tonypandy as the mounted police failed to disperse miners in the town, who began to smash shop windows. Homes in Tonypandy were left untouched by the angry miners, and after several hours of running battles with the police, Churchill telegrammed General MacReady, commander of the troops on standby with the message, "As the situation appears to have become more serious you should if the Chief Constable or Local Authority desire it move all the cavalry into the district without delay". Several hundred extra police from London were also promised, but by the time they arrived the next day the fighting had ended with about 500 miners injured as well as about 80 policemen. Samuel Rhys, a miner who sustained head injuries from a policeman's baton later died of his injuries. This series of events over the 7th and 8th of November in Tonypandy made up what became popularly known as the "Tonypandy Riot".

 

Churchill was certainly no saint when it came to human rights, but on the other hand he did write books like "Liberalism and the Social Problem (1909)" and "The People’s Rights (1910)". And as I said before he was the person that appointed the Tory politician that was largely responsible for the European Convention on human rights after the war. Churchill is a complex character and to portray him simply as opposed to human rights gives a false impression.

 

http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/churchill_peoples_rights.html

[truconstruct]

You were born in the wrong place at the wrong time. You could have made a really good gulag commander.

 

and you would have made an ideal prisoner no doubt.

[Wildcat]

It was the generals that made the Tsar abdicate not the workers.

 

You are 100% wrong as usual.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_Revolution

[truconstruct]

You are 100% wrong as usual.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_Revolution

 

The wiki article says nothing of the sort, it says the resignation was a result of the first revolution that's all.

 

Oh nice to see wiki is a reliable sorce when it suits, lol.

[Tshombe]

Churchill was certainly no saint when it came to human rights, but on the other hand he did write books like "Liberalism and the Social Problem (1909)" and "The People’s Rights (1910)". And as I said before he was the person that appointed the Tory politician that was largely responsible for the European Convention on human rights after the war. Churchill is a complex character and to portray him simply as opposed to human rights gives a false impression

http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/churchill_peoples_rights.html

Wasn't it Churchill who agreed that all allied service personel from behind what was to become the Iron Curtain were to be sent back after the war to certain deaths under Stalin?

[milquetoast1]

Perhaps Abid Naseer should have been deported back to Pakistan and told to be "discreet" about his natural homicidal urges:

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-islamists-their-victims-and-hypocrisy-1977424.html

 

[dazzler4]

if they are willing to die for Allah in some sort of terrorist attack, then maybe they should be willing to die in the name of Allah (blessed be) back in pakistan.

Although its alleged, there is no smoke without fire.

We are in enough of a financial mess as a country so why are we putting these loonies up in our prisons, paying for their food and shelter?

 

looking at the independent article, we have it all wrong, sending those back that deserve help and keeping those that deserve all that could be coming to them back in pakistan!