Clegg refuses to rule out long term deal with Tories-End of Libdems?

[kenny gray]

as i have already said it is very clear cameron and clegg will make sure labour never get back in by any means possible.it is very hard to tell them apart already,both of them made clear policy statement on things they would not go back on,that as already changed.more and more as time goes on it would not surprise me if the lib-dem just becomes part of the cons.party.cameron goes on about democrocy and transparancy so who elected clegg deputy prime minister and why can no minister make any comment if they do not agree with the coalition policy?

[andyofborg]

as i have already said it is very clear cameron and clegg will make sure labour never get back in by any means possible.it is very hard to tell them apart already,both of them made clear policy statement on things they would not go back on,that as already changed.more and more as time goes on it would not surprise me if the lib-dem just becomes part of the cons.party.cameron goes on about democrocy and transparancy so who elected clegg deputy prime minister and why can no minister make any comment if they do not agree with the coalition policy?

 

and is it such a bad thing that labour never get back in?

 

in the 80odd years that labour has been either the party of government or opposition what have they actually achieved?

 

financial crises, thatcher, the destruction of manufacturing etc etc etc

 

presumably if a minister feels so strongly about coalition policy then he will do the decent thing and resign rather than keeping his job and pay but running to the press and whining about it as an anonymous source.

[andyofborg]

I assume that the reason they'll have to introduce 200 new peers is because they currently have a minority? And that therefore, Labour has a majority, and your first statement is false?

 

Didn't Labour get rid of most of the generally non-Labour hereditary peers and fill the Lords with Tonies cronies?

[HeadingNorth]

Didn't Labour get rid of most of the generally non-Labour hereditary peers and fill the Lords with Tonies cronies?

 

Indeed. One of their less well-thought-out ideas. Nobody stopped to work out that the one person guaranteed to be independent in a second chamber, and who could be guaranteed to be chosen completely at random, was the one there by accident of birth who could not be removed and was beholden to nobody.

[andyofborg]

When the Con-Libs are proposing a reduction in the elected members of paliament, how can anyone possibly defend them creating several hundred unelected peers?

 

if they are created then they wont be there long as the House of Lords is going to be reformed. Something Labour had 13 years to do and never did.

 

A parliamentary vote of confidence is rarely used. But when it happens, it takes precedence over all other parliamentary business. If the vote is lost, it is not the whim of the incumbent prime minister to dissolve parliament. It is a necessity for the prime minister to dissolve parliament and seek a new mandate from the electorate - as he/she clearly no longer commands a majority in the House.

 

Its not mandatory the Queen dissolves parliament in these circumstances, if there was another leader who could command the confidence of the commons then they could be invited to form a government.

 

With fixed term parliaments, the opposition parties are going to have to try and form a new government and if they can't then they will have to vote to dissolve parliament, and that will be a decision of the whole house, not just one man.

 

Its a statutory requirement that if the Scottish Executive loses a vote of confidence then they have to resign. So, its clear that Labour's intention was that an alternative government be formed rather than holding an election.

[kenny gray]

so no opposition is a good thing,now i know the worlds gone mad.

[I1L2T3]

as i have already said it is very clear cameron and clegg will make sure labour never get back in by any means possible.it is very hard to tell them apart already,both of them made clear policy statement on things they would not go back on,that as already changed.more and more as time goes on it would not surprise me if the lib-dem just becomes part of the cons.party.cameron goes on about democrocy and transparancy so who elected clegg deputy prime minister and why can no minister make any comment if they do not agree with the coalition policy?

 

Clegg has no exit strategy. That much is clear.

[Longcol]

and is it such a bad thing that labour never get back in?

 

in the 80odd years that labour has been either the party of government or opposition what have they actually achieved?

 

 

Shall we start with the NHS. Then the bulk of the investment in new public goods / infrastructure (hospitals, schools, motorways etc) since the Victorians being under Labour. Big expansion in higher education in the 60's / early 70's which opened up the way for a lot of bright working class people to get to university for the first time.

 

And we won the World Cup in 1966 and got the Ashes back in 2005 and 2009.

[alchresearch]

And we won the World Cup in 1966 and got the Ashes back in 2005 and 2009.

 

Yeah but it was sunnier when the Tories were in power.

 

The mini heatwave of last weekend? All Dave Cameron's work!

[Tradescanthia]

Shall we start with the NHS. Then the bulk of the investment in new public goods / infrastructure (hospitals, schools, motorways etc) since the Victorians being under Labour. Big expansion in higher education in the 60's / early 70's which opened up the way for a lot of bright working class people to get to university for the first time.

 

QUOTE] The Tories will never change, leopards dont change their spots. For all their faults Labour is still a million more times likely to help 'the ordinary guy' and his family. Tories just work for their paymasters and to hell with the people. Cameron is no different and Clegg dosent bear comment. I just wish he wasn't associated with Sheffield. He will 'come a cropper' in a big way after Camerons mob have used and abused him. He deserves all he will get.