Catholic Church says Woman should have died with foetus

[Harleyman]

I know it's ancient history but didnt the Catholic church burn pregnant women at the stake who were found guilty of heresy ?

[HeadingNorth]

I know it's ancient history but didnt the Catholic church burn pregnant women at the stake who were found guilty of heresy ?

 

I don't think the Catholics were the only ones doing so at that.

 

Then again, life generally was more barbaric in those times, and some church organisations have grown more civilized. Some haven't. Not all secular organisations have grown much more civilized either.

[plekhanov]

Actually this raises a massive concern about Catholics being in a position of control over medical decisions. The nun in question has made the only sensible decision she could, she has had to put her faith to one side and do what is best for all concerned. I have no doubt this would have been a very difficult and traumatic decision for her. But what would happen next time at the same hospital when presumably she is replaced by someone appointed in the bishop's own image and who lacks her moral courage and integrity. One can only fear for the next woman admitted in the same or similar condition to that particular hospital.

Be glad that in most of Europe the Catholic Church's power has shrunk to the extent that their power is increasingly limited to institutions it runs. Elsewhere where it has the political power the Catholic Church ceaselessly seeks even lifesaving treatments with only the possible side effect of abortion are criminalised:

 

NICARAGUA ABORTION LAW PUTS PREGNANT CANCER VICTIM AT RISK

 

23 February 2010

Amnesty International has called on the Nicaraguan authorities to provide cancer treatment to a pregnant woman that is currently being withheld because of a law that bans abortion in all circumstances.

 

Amalia (not her real name), 27, is 10 weeks pregnant and was diagnosed, on 2 February, with cancer which may have already spread to her brain, lungs and breasts.

 

The Nicaraguan authorities are impeding doctors from providing cancer treatment to her while she is pregnant because medical staff could face prosecution if they cause harm to the foetus during her treatment, even if the harm is caused unintentionally.

 

“It is shocking that Nicaragua would deny a cancer patient potentially life saving treatment because she is pregnant,” said Esther Major, Central America Researcher at Amnesty International.

 

“Amalia’s situation reveals the impact of this law and demonstrates the urgent need to repeal this draconian ban which prevents the delivery of timely care and impedes sound medical judgment.

 

“Each day is critical for Amalia’s chances of survival and the Nicaraguan authorities must take immediate steps to provide her the full range of health care appropriate to treat her cancer.”

 

Doctors treating Amalia have refused to use radiotherapy and chemotherapy because they fear prosecution.

 

Amalia is also the sole carer of her 10-year-old daughter. In December 2009 Amalia sought treatment in a local clinic for breathing problems, fever, nausea and fainting. She was referred to a hospital for tests, where she has been hospitalised since 2 February. Her doctors said she required urgent chemotherapy and radiotherapy treatment but have not initiated any of these treatments because of fear of unintentional harm to the feotus.

 

“Nicaragua’s ban of therapeutic abortions is a human rights scandal that ridicules medical science and turns the law into a weapon against the provision of essential medical care to pregnant women and girls,” said Esther Major.

 

In 2006, prior to the ban on abortion introduced, 21 Nicaraguan medical associations from across the spectrum of medical disciplines issued a joint public statement against the proposed total ban on abortion, with an explicit warning that health professionals’ ability to provide health care and practice their profession would be limited if the prohibition was passed.

 

On 18 February Nicaraguan NGOs and the largest professional gynaecological association in Nicaragua asked the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights to request "special measures," which would require the government to fulfil its legal obligations to protect Amalia’s right to life and health and ensure she is immediately provided with treatment which could save, or at least prolong, her life.

 

“Nicaragua's total ban on abortion is unlawful and the Nicaraguan government has also ignored the calls for the law criminalising abortion to be repealed by four United Nations expert treaty bodies, including the Committee Against Torture," said Esther Major

 

Two weeks ago 11 member states of the United Nations called on Nicaragua to amend its laws on abortion, due to the rise in maternal deaths and rape victims who are being compelled to carry pregnancies to term since the laws’ introduction.

 

"A legal challenge to the constitutional basis for the law has also been before the constitutional section of the Supreme Court for over year,” said Esther Major.

 

“Amnesty International is appalled at the Nicaraguan government's refusal to respond to the pleas to change this cruel law.”

This work is part of Amnesty International’s Demand Dignity campaign which aims to end the human rights violations that drive and deepen global poverty. The campaign will mobilise people all over the world to demand that governments, corporations and others who have power listen to the voices of those living in poverty and recognise and protect their rights. For more information visit the Demand Dignity section.

[plekhanov]

But the hospital felt it could proceed because of an exception — called Directive 47 in the U.S. Catholic Church's ethical guidelines for health care providers — that allows, in some circumstance, procedures that could kill the fetus to save the mother. Sister Margaret McBride, who was an administrator at the hospital as well as its liaison to the diocese, gave her approval.

And your point is?

[[Matt]]

....and the catholic church should have died in the middle ages.

[Bloomdido]

;6285331']....and the catholic church should have died in the middle ages.

 

But it didn't and there are still people like Anne Widdecombe who will try to defend it to this day. She got trounced by Stephen Fry though.

 

The whole birth control thing wasn't that much of an issue until John Paul got going. He pushed the 'no contraception' bandwaggon. It is mind control and it needs to be dealt with but governments pander to this sick and twisted theology that attempts to suppress and divide people in the name of god.

[Harleyman]

I don't think the Catholics were the only ones doing so at that.

 

Then again, life generally was more barbaric in those times, and some church organisations have grown more civilized. Some haven't. Not all secular organisations have grown much more civilized either.

 

 

Various Protestant sects practiced the burning of heretics and also women and men accused of witchcraft but the Catholics were the champs in the numbers they burned.

The Inquisition brought a new meaning to the art of torture just as a side comment

[artisan]

I will not hear talk against the Catholic Church.

It is the church on which all faiths are based.

People who speak against it are blasphemers and heretic infedels.

[Harleyman]

I will not hear talk against the Catholic Church.

It is the church on which all faiths are based.

People who speak against it are blasphemers and heretic infedels.

 

There go the majority of SF members then. See y'all at the next burning

[Halibut]

I will not hear talk against the Catholic Church.

It is the church on which all faiths are based.

People who speak against it are blasphemers and heretic infedels.

 

No it isn't.