The human cost of an Ipad

[Wildcat]

Gordon,

 

A) I suggest you recheck the word hypocrite and what I have posted. You might also want to check nihilist and fatalist whilst you are refering to your dictionary.

 

B) By your argument we should still be working in the Satanic Mills of the 19th Century. The fact is however we aren't. The reason for this is primarily worker's solidarity.

 

We have to prioritise campaigns like this, for everyone's benefit to prevent a competition based on a lowest common denominator, that will make all our lives a misery. Ethical labels are one solution, but that does not stop us from demanding corporations make their claims as ethical traders a reality.

[GordonBennet]

Gordon,

 

A) I suggest you recheck the word hypocrite and what I have posted. You might also want to check nihilist and fatalist whilst you are refering to your dictionary.

 

B) By your argument we should still be working in the Satanic Mills of the 19th Century. The fact is however we aren't. The reason for this is primarily worker's solidarity.

 

We have to prioritise campaigns like this, for everyone's benefit to prevent a competition based on a lowest common denominator, that will make all our lives a misery. Ethical labels are one solution, but that does not stop us from demanding corporations make their claims as ethical traders a reality.

 

I would suggest that someone who condemns those for using a certain type of computer because it's made unethically but is quite happy not to check how and where his own computer was made is very much a hypocrite.

 

Supposing your campaign succeeds and the factory making the I-pad decides to reduce working hours, raise wages and improve conditions? Would everyone live happily ever after or would another factory that treats its workers poorly come in offering to make I-pads for a much lower price and take the I-pad contract off the first one?

 

Your socialist utopia will only work if every country and every factory in the world agrees to give its workers decent pay, hours and conditions. What do you think are the chances of that ever happening?

[Redyam]

And here there have been allegations of staff forced to work excessive hours, compulsory overtime and a host of other abuses by the firm's Taiwanese management.

 

Sounds a lot like what happens in some UK companies too. Ever wondered why staff from companies like British Airways go on strike?

 

Seems like they need some union power set up in these Chinese factories. All those that are complaining about lazy workers striking and QQing that they can't go on holiday... just look at this example and realise how valuable the trade union movement is.

[poppins]

As if you don't already know, human life is cheap in China. Just like its substandard goods...

 

Yes it is, my son goes to China on buisness few times a year, taxi drivers will just run someone down that gets in the way to get from A to B, especially when the passengers a Westerner, dosen't seem to faze anyone either, they just continue about their buisness

[Wildcat]

I would suggest that someone who condemns those for using a certain type of computer because it's made unethically but is quite happy not to check how and where his own computer was made is very much a hypocrite.

 

Supposing your campaign succeeds and the factory making the I-pad decides to reduce working hours, raise wages and improve conditions? Would everyone live happily ever after or would another factory that treats its workers poorly come in offering to make I-pads for a much lower price and take the I-pad contract off the first one?

 

Your socialist utopia will only work if every country and every factory in the world agrees to give its workers decent pay, hours and conditions. What do you think are the chances of that ever happening?

 

Your suggestion is of course right. Which is why I never did blame anyone buying something from Apple. Instead i suggested people write to Apple to ask them to improve the conditions in their factory.

 

If the factory improves its working practices as a result of the campaign then Apple would not go looking for another factory to go to, would it.

 

Instead it would be able to use this to show that it takes its ethical policies seriously and avert the current criticisms directed to it. Apple has a brand name that means more than just rock bottom prices.

 

A socialist utopia where every worker is respected and has decent working conditions is an asperation worth campaigning for whether realistically achievable or not. It is certainly possible and whilst there is a long way to go yet, every step taken is a worthwhile one.

[AJ sheffield]

I dont care.

[slimsid2000]

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[epiphany]

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I completely disagree.

[Dogs Of War]

I dont care.

 

me neither , as long as it works and is reliable i dont care where and how it is made .

 

the cheaper we can get goods the better

[Grissom]

Some hope on the Horizon perhaps ?

 

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