foxy lady Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) has suggested minimum pricing as a way of reducing the harm from excess drinking. The coalition government agrees that alcohol misuse is a problem, but does not support a minimum price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonBennet Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 That was worth starting a new thread for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy lady Posted June 2, 2010 Author Share Posted June 2, 2010 That was worth starting a new thread for. As opposed to the troll thread that's based on a pack of lies.:roll::roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedders Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 I think it all started going wrong when Labour extended the opening times personally. I'm generalising here, but stick with me:- People who go out for a drink like to socialise, but extending the opening times made that social occasion less. The said people no longer went out en mass as the said people they socialised with, 'fragemented' into more spread out drinking time slots. Said people stayed at home & got hammered on cheaper supermarket drink. Pubs have started going bankrupt due to loss of trade, but the upside was that this benefitted the emergency services as all the hammered people didn't 'fall' out of the pub between 11-11.30 pm. Me personally I think put the opening times back to the old system. Restore the social aspect of pub drinking at increased cost, meaning people can afford to drink less for the same amount of money. Hopefully less 'pop' inside people will lead to less agro & benefit the nations health. I think if you try to price out, or ban alchohol, we are on a very slippery slope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Restricted opening hours were first brought in during the First World War, under the argument that it was necessary to curtail a small amount of liberty for the safety of the people. It took almost ninety years to get them off the books again. Governments taking advantage of a war situation to introduce restrictive legislation? It could surely never happen in today's Britain, could it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedders Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Restricted opening hours were first brought in during the First World War, under the argument that it was necessary to curtail a small amount of liberty for the safety of the people. It took almost ninety years to get them off the books again. Governments taking advantage of a war situation to introduce restrictive legislation? It could surely never happen in today's Britain, could it? Key point in bold above. Why was this then????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esme Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Key point in bold above. Why was this then????? so that wartime production levels didn't fall, and to prevent drunks getting out of hand and causing trouble hence keeping the people safe by ensuring high munition production and a lack of drunken mobs http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/firstworldwar/britain/p_alcohol.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beer Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 so that wartime production levels didn't fall, and to prevent drunks getting out of hand and causing trouble hence keeping the people safe by ensuring high munition production and a lack of drunken mobs http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/firstworldwar/britain/p_alcohol.htm They even nationalised the pubs and breweries in Carlisle because it was an important explosives production area. They kept them in public ownership for 60 years after that. http://www.breweryhistory.com/Breweries/CumbriaCarlisleOldBrewery.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny_Boy Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 I think it all started going wrong when Labour extended the opening times personally. I'm generalising here, but stick with me:- People who go out for a drink like to socialise, but extending the opening times made that social occasion less. The said people no longer went out en mass as the said people they socialised with, 'fragemented' into more spread out drinking time slots. Said people stayed at home & got hammered on cheaper supermarket drink. Pubs have started going bankrupt due to loss of trade, but the upside was that this benefitted the emergency services as all the hammered people didn't 'fall' out of the pub between 11-11.30 pm. Me personally I think put the opening times back to the old system. Restore the social aspect of pub drinking at increased cost, meaning people can afford to drink less for the same amount of money. Hopefully less 'pop' inside people will lead to less agro & benefit the nations health. I think if you try to price out, or ban alchohol, we are on a very slippery slope. Highering the price of beer will not make people drink less! It will make people spend more on beer. An alcoholic is not just going to stop drinking because the price is higher, they will end up stealing or spending less on other things maybe their children maybe food who knows. The people that go out and binge drink on a weekend will continue to do this no matter what the price of beer is or maybe they will turn to cheaper yet illegal thrills who knows. Banning things does not work. Upping the price of things does not work it just means more of our hard earned money ends up with the government. Same for petrol prices and all stupid green taxes. I am fed up of not being able to do just whatever the hell I want to do without being told its wrong or bad or bad for my health. Maybe if we where molly coddled a bit less and told the truth about the dangers of certain substances we could take a more pro-active approach to how we use said substances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonBennet Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Another alternative is to put minimum prices on the types of booze people tend to binge on, such as white cider, special brew and stella. At the same time reduce the price of quality drinks such as real ale and fine wines. This would not only reduce binge drinking but change drinking habits and at the same time would only persecute irresponsible drinkers, not the majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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